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Some of you living in the Midlands may be aware of a recent case of extreme cruelty to a Cat, which was thrown four times from the tenth floor of a tower block and filmed with a mobile phone.  Today the little scroat who did this got four months in a youth detention centre.  There was no mention of what his accomplices got as they were all under 18.  Anyone have some ideas for a more creative punishment ?  I'll start with...

Scrotal Bungee Jumping

That's no good. I assume they are scrotally challenged.

Shoot them. Slowly.

I agree, they should shoot them.  There is no reason for people like this to be on Earth. Scumbags

eye for an eye ...tooth for a tooth.

These scumbags should be treated exactly the same as the cat, and be thrown from the 10th floor the same amount of times as the cat.

They should have molested a child or killed a girl whilst driving dangerously. You get less time for either of those.

I'm not a cat fan, but that is sodding cruel and I hope someone gives them what they deserve at some point!

Apparently, there is some dude in Druids Heath who has this guy on his list, it was mentioned in a another forum.

and make sure he lands on his arse and the said 4 products are still inserted.

Guys, this is horrible stuff.

Pernission to continue granted.

LMAO Tikay

Rather you didn't.

I'm loving it...

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i understand everyones disgust at a such a malevolent act of sensless violence exacted upon a helpless cat but how does this thread not constitute as flamming?

how can you have a thread  advocating the torture and shooting of human beings?

the judiciary has seen fit to hand down what they deem to be a felicitous sentence in order to punish those involved, uphold the law, and protect society, thus the process of modern day law and order is completed.

this is just vigilantism; so how is this not flamming?

If i were to convey a rebuttel on how the seemingly pernicious, Draconian, Arcadian, methods of punishment proposed by this thread were inappropriate and how i believe that the correct punishment that was bestowed upon these boys should be tempered with rehabilitation I'd no doubt be the one accused of flamming just because i wasn't jumping in with everone else saying:"yeah, string em up".

I actually feel dejected and disillusioned with the content of this thread, and the political and moral ramifications it has for the ethos of blonde.

If your swear its flamming, if you have a dig at another member its flamming; the ABE thread which i think was by far the best thread Ive read thus far, was always one step away from being taken off and was suspended a couple of times, but this kind emotive suggestion is allowed unquestioned!

I'm just incredulous that on such a reputable forum there is a discernable hypocrisy in the application of regulations.

maybe one of the more learned or eminent members of blonde could outline their rudimentary understanding of the concept of flamming because I'd be elated if it was the case that i just didn't understand the basic idea surrounding "flamming" as apposed to my more suspicious aforementioned contention.

This is all purely hypothetical, no scrotums or arses are actually harmed in this thread.

Guess you are right Floppy, revenge is a horrible thing. But I do feel a little better for it now.

That isn't the point.

What do you suggest then floppy ?  what punishment do you think should be handed out to these people ?

I know what flaming is?   But WTF is flamming?

Floppy, I could never do any of the things in my post, I would nerer in any way want to, But such cruelty stirs up raw emotions, I will remove my post as it has caused offence and I appologise, No harm was intended.

I think he should get 4 months in a juvenile detention centre.

I honestly don't know. But I don't like reading how my friends would want to treat them.


Tank is my hero.

I think you should get a kick in the arse   :D

No punishment strong enough for scum like this. 4 months in a detention centre isn't anywhere near enough.

If he went to prison for an equivalent amount of years that he had cut short of the cats, i think it would be just.

Lets face it, this is highly unlikely to be his first offence and hey he can do it all again in 4 months - what a joke. Most important thing to society is that his genetics are not passed into any offspring. Scumbags breed scumbags i'm afraid and they need stopping at source.

what a sad sad thing to say, your the one i feel sorry for.

I cannot imagine a soul who knows me thinks I am being anything but tongue-in-cheek with my "shoot them" statement. It's a stock expression of mine, & I use it in all sort of situations.  Does anyone REALLY think I mean that? (Rhetorical).

Move along now.

You may well be right, but i tend to look at the real world and don't see it as "Waltons Mountain".
The bible says an eye for an eye.
Majority of people would not give a monkeys if this neandothal was removed permanently from society.

Yes, people can reform, yes they can make mistakes, but dropping a cat from a 10th floor and then going down and picking it up and repeating it a further 3 times, while the cat is screaming in agony is something i would most definitely like to see punished very harshly.

Frankly, PC and the rest of that mallarky is not going to cure the world, which is in a bitter downward spiral

I feel sorry the ones foolish enough to stand up for scum like this. Of course its likely to be his first offence- people throw cats off buildings every day where you live do they?

Why, I'm as disgusted as everyone else with what happened.

I'm definately not sticking up for him, I just happen to not believe in torturing or executing minors.

I don't support a system that leaves us all blind and toothless.

Is that at me Ariston? First offence as in committing a crime, in that people who do things like this are hardly model citizens and have more than likely (not definitely) fractured a few other laws.

Urghhh, lets not get into biblical references too heavily. Last time I looked, the government and not the church ran the criminal justice system.

Let's not forget that the bible also says that working on the sabbath and wearing cloths made from two different threads are punishable by death.

That's all old testament doctrine. Right-wing evangelical types selectively take stuff from the book of Laws to support whatever they happen to believe.

They forget that Jeesie Chressie said

"May he who is without sin, cast the first stone"

Has the forum got PMT?

are we related?    I want a DNA test  :D.   

no it was aimed at bolt who seems to be defending the scum and saying he feels sorry for you generalising it wasnt a first offence. People who do this sort of thing are not mentally stable and need dealing with at an early age. If you go into psychological studies of serial killers you will find almost every one of them tortured animals when they were young- now I'm not saying these idiots will turn out to be Charles Manson etc but anyone who would do this to cat isn't wired right and needs more than 4 months in a detention centre.

TWO MONTHS. You only serve half your sentence, remember...

Sark - i hope not you're mad!!!!

Tank - i follow no religion whatsoever, it seems to do more harm than good, so i stay clear.

I was trying to relay views from varying views, the religious, the PCers and the people whose stomach this story sends into knots and feel that something far worse than 4 months should be done here.

lol. ok mate, it's just we have the same thought processes.  Now there is something to make you worry  :D

Sark, i've been thinking the same myself over the past few weeks. It has tickled me that you have also.

Sark is my forum twin, anyone else got a twin?

Sark, start a new thread about forum twins.

I don't think bolt was defending him, rather he was speaking in a broad context.

I'd like to think society is enlightened enough for individuals to be able to condemn actions and express disgust, without having to be dishing out hypothetcal punishments.

It's ok to do that of course, call for harsher sentences. Just because someone else isn't though, doesn't mean they think the crime was any less morally reprehensible than you do.

Hypothetical punishments are the way in which some of us express our disgust, we are all different. It also helps ease the twisted knot you get in your stomach when you read stories of this nature, cos if in your mind they have been and should be punished further it helps ease the feeling of asolute disgrace that one of our race could do this to an animal.

leehack  :D

 :goodpost:

I just resent the whole notion that the retribution called for is directly proportional to ones disgust at the crime commited.

Lets say there's a burglary. They catch the culprit and convict him.

Person A wants him to get 6 months in prison

Person B wants him to get 6 years in prison

Person C wants him to get his hands chopped off.

Person D wants him hung by the neck untill dead.

The casual observer might think that Person D thinks bulglary is much worse crime than Person A. Personally, I think this is not necessary the case.

I'm Person E, happy that's it's not my job to choose.

I agree, certain things get some people more than others. I have 4 cats so this hit me hard.

Imagine if one million rounded people were sent a survey with 100 crimes listed and they had to mark each one with a punishment on a scale of 1-20. Each on this scale had a set punishment and whatever the majority chose would be the punishment for that crime.

I fail to see that 80-90% of punishments wouldnt be much harsher than criminals currently receive. If these were all listed for the public to see and criminals were fully aware, there could never be any unhappiness.

There is nothing worse than seeing on the news that the 16 year old criminal has just received his 256th caution. Parents here are often to blame. However, this person is very likely to bring up children with the same outlook on life as himself and we are then stuck in a vicious circle which does not improve.

 ;iagree;  Seems like a pretty fair sentence to me, as far as these things are ever fair.

When would it become "unfair" then. If 6, 9 or 12 months was stated, surely you would say exactly the same?

What i would like to know is what is the abolute limit on what you would consider "fair" and this is probably at the level at which i think this should be punished.

I don't work in the legal profession, I have no idea of the range of sentences that could have been offered in this case.  When I say it seems fair to me, that is to say that reading the facts of the case and the sentence given provoked no instinctive reaction from me that the sentence was either particularly harsh, or particularly lenient.

If either of my boys had done something like this, I'd break their bloody legs!!

4 month sentence = 2 months in jail.

12 month sentence = 6 months in jail.

TBH I would think that 2 months in a YOI would give this little sh*t just what he doesn't need. He will come out more likely to re-offend and he will have the tools with which to do so. Plus, he will have a whole new circle of contacts with which to get involved. Most likely, he will move away from petty acts of mindless violence and into something more hardcore, like supplying the local youth with drugs outside schools - using one of the new contacts he made in the YO as a supplier (or they put him in touch with a supplier).

No employer is going to want to employ him, at least not for a good few years. Basically, theres nothing down for this toad now. Many of us will have done things in our youth that where utterly reprehensible to the older generations, even to our own generations. Be it fighting or drink related, down to driving irresponsibly. Many of us are lucky not to have gotten caught and simply "grew out of it".

For those that do get caught, a different world is waiting for them when they get out.

Greece has the right idea!

Compulsory National Service I reckon.

But with no degree course to get you out of it.



EDIT:  Saying that I did tell my eldest the other day that there is no way he is going into the army as soon as he leaves school and I'd much rather he chose one of the other forces.

I don't.

I'm glad the scroat got some time but I don't know what good it will do.  As others have pointed out 4 months is less that is often handed out to the perpetrators of violent crimes against people.   Much as I was sickened by the video I DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES CONDONE OR APPROVE OF ANY TYPE OF VIOLENT ACTION AGAINST THE PERPETRATORS.

Bolt, do you really think that there are any members on this forum who REALLY believe that the people who did this should be killed or tortured ?  People like myself have had a vent but that's it.

my bad mate, i though you ment I should get the time for my post.

hiding in shame now

This thread has brought back some nasty memories from when i was a child.

My parents split up when I was 8 and my mum got a council house on one of the nastiest estates in Edinburgh, it was a real shock as up till then I had not lived in a "fight to survive" area.

The place we moved into was...if you can imagine...a large block with 9 pensioner flats on the ground floor and above it was 9 3 bedroomed masionettes and above that another 9 bedroomed maisonettes. The poor pensioners lifes were a misery.

There were another 4/5 blocks exactly the same.

I tried to stay out of the way as much as possible but there was one boy who was in my class at school who bullied me relentless, he also lived in my block and he would make me carry his bike up the stairs, kick and pull my hair etc but I did as he asked because i had 3 younger siblings which he threatened.

This block of flats had a "chute" system...where as you put you polly bag of rubbish in the chute which fell into a large bin at the bottom.

This nasty piece of scum (at the age of 10/11) would regularly send burning newspaper down the chute setting the bin room on fire.

He then progressed to posting cats/small dogs down the chute while the bin was on fire.

All us kids knew what he was doing but we were too scared to say anything.

He tried to pick on my younger brother and i got beaten to a pulp for defending him and we moved out the area not long after.

I dont think people are born evil but in his case I dont know.

I think a 4 month sentence would have done more harm than good...so what is the answer?

PS..wasnt going to say but he was threatning to post my brother down the chute...had him lifted up and was ready to drop.

I can imagine this guy is either in jail or (hopefully) dead.

Anyone who can drop a cat out of a 10 storey window repeatedly has a serious problem and it can only get worse...lock the nutter up.

yep suz, there are some nasty people around

This thread highlights some of things i think humanity would benefit from getting rid of.

One of the key things for me would be feelings of revenge and retribution. When I hear of acts like this on a defenceless cat, like many others I feel disgusted and appalled.

 If it was my cat, I would no doubt want to get my hands on this guy and do him some damage. But this would be my emotional knee-jerk reaction. Luckily as an intelligent, rational human being, I am capable of rising above my instinctive base reaction and applying elements of reason and logic to my response.

I remember during the Jamie Bulger murder some years ago, a guy at my school said "give me a baseball bat and 5 minutes with venables and thompson(the 10 year old kids involved) and we'll see some justice."

I could envisage someone reading the hypothetical headline the next day..... "Man brutalises two 10 year old children with baseball bat"......and saying "give me a blowtorch and 5 minutes with that guy and we'll see some justice." And the cycle continues. Hate breeds hate.

For me the most important thing to come out of this is the need to ensure that perpertrators of crimes like this don't do it again. Take the punitive measures necessary but always have it at the forefront of your mind that this should be done to improve society and try and prevent future incidences like this occurring, not some attempt to enact retribution and quench a primal thirst for vengeance.

 

i agree

How do you shoot someone slowly??

Where do you buy these new slow motion bullets?

From the Matrix shop ??

Don't understand a bit of what Bolt was ranting about.

But re the sentencing - i'd have got a harsher punishment if I'd found the wee scrotes doing the crime & dished out the severe kicking they deserved for it.

I'm afraid it's the attitudes of the people dishing these pathetic sentences that lead to bad areas policing their own at times (and I've heard some stories that are flaming scary).

The main problem though is that listening to the Sun & Mail campaigns for harsher sentencing is not enough - we have to attempt to pull the poeple who are born into areas and famillies considered beyond hope back into our society - why obey our laws if they get nothing for it. There's areas where if I was living there I'd be breaking a lot of laws - because you're not left a lot of choice.

Here here Rod

I would kick him off a really tall building and see how he likes it.