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I played in the Party $200,000 Freezeout on Saturday night. It was, as most mtt's on Party are, a huge field of 989 entries. Anyway, finally after 5 hours, I get to the final table with about 400k chips. I'm about middle order in chips and fairly comfortable. Two short stacked players get knocked out fairly quickly and the blinds are 15/30k.

One guy has been raising into the blinds almost every hand regardless of position. I fold my blinds for a rotation, then get AKs on my BB. Sure enough matey raises to 100k. Everyone folds round to me. I'm certain he's 'At IT' so decide to go all-in for 350k. He takes al lot of time to think and types into the chat box ''Hmm 2 to 1''.

To call my all-in will be 60% of his chips and I'm certain he will fold.

After an eternity he calls and turns over Q6os. He of course hit his Q on the turn and I'm out in 8th place.

Can anyone give me an insight into his reasoning and why he would call this.

He's clearly a muppet mate!

I don't think there is much else to say.

Because he is a fish of the lowest order and figures you for two overcards.

His assumption of 2 to 1 isn't far off as his Q6os will win 30% of the time whereas your AKs will hold up 69% of the time, assuming his Q6 doesn't share a suit with your cards.

So I guess he's a big chip daddy with a bullying problem, or was he calling for all his chips? You where unlucky.

Hold on a minute

He is getting 2-1 on what he thinks is a 6-4 shot, two live cards against your hand. Granted he is sunk if you have a big pair

Whilst this is not a play I do because I am more ABC, you can get to it on pot odds and he has as I read it 300k or 10xbb left if he loses. If he knocks you out he is in a dominant postion


To conclude, I can see it but unlucky anyway

Because he figures you for Ak or similar, he has invested 100k, has decentish pot odds and is still left with a workable stack if he loses.
Not everyones choice but there is some reasoning behind it.

Tighty beat me to it...............

but why is he raising in the first place with Q 6 for??

thats a muppet of the highest calibre if you ask me.

a steal?

I guess that he raises to try and steal the blinds... its either that or he is raising hoping to get a caller, and I know which one is more likely.

a muppet play of the highest calibre is jamming into a preflop limper on a 8910 board with 96os. Raising to steal the blinds isn't normally considered a "muppet" play.

It's where a good player has his edge, he doesnt wait for cards.

he is raising with Q6 to steal the 45k blinds and any running antes in the pot. by the sounds of it he has nicked loads of blinds doing this.. there is nothing wrong with him raising with it, maybe the call is a little loose.

i played a mtt online last night and had a massive chip lead of 100k+ ave was 15k. blinds were 1.5k/3k with a big running ante cant remember what now. it was my BB and guy goes all in for nearly 10 k leaving me just over 6k to call. i had 35off but i would win 19k if i called 6k over 3/1 so i called. he had AQ so i was 2/1 at worst flop came with a 2 and a 4 on it so i was up and down plus 2 live cards to hit as outs.

when i missed one guy gave me a right verble in the chat box saying i shouldnt of called but sometimes if the odds are right you just call with any 2

Tighty/Flushy,

If you read over the original post then this guy has been raising every blind on this occasion he just gets lucky.  If he hadn't been raising hand after hand and jammed his chips in with Q 6 on the odd occasion you would say it was a good player, or a steal attempt.  I don't see this one like this at all, i reckon this guy is no knore than a big stack bully.  I would almost guarantee he never went on to win thr tourney especially if he kept playing like that.

If your raises have anything to do with your hand strength at this stage of a tourney then you are way too predictable and will get burnt by good players.

Well he got past 980 players to get this far. He must be doing something right!

The point is he calls this, wins the pot he is a huge stack and people think he is a loon, they wont play back at him without hands because they think he will call with Q6, what a situation to be in!

I suppose when you put it like that it all makes sense but definately not a call I'd make!!!

what can you say ? Its a bad beat, but not the worst in the world.

Aggressive final table play like this will IMHO prove to be profitable in the long run. Why not call his raise (you are likely to be ahead), and then jam it in on the flop. He will find the call much more difficult post flop.

Thanks for the replies...some interesting angles on this. He eventually ended up 2nd.

Lol. This is a comment made by some players that really annoy me.. I mean, how can you call someone a muppet for raising ?? The only time i have a problem with being beaten is when i make the raise and get the call by someone with no hand.. If however, someone was to push and im sitting there with AA and obviously call, even if he has 72 and outdraws me, i would not say a word, he has made the move, asked the question to anyone in the pot. There is nothing wrong with this. Example - I was playing on ladbrokes multi the other day and they fold to me on the cut off.. I have 45 and fancy a steal, so i raise 3x the BB. BB calls. Flop comes down 238 (which is not bad for me really).. He checks to me and i push my last couple thousand in, he then calls me. With.. 89.. I hit my straight with an A on river and he starts moaning - exactly like you have about me raising with this and then pushing in on the flop?! Now, IMO the worst part of this hand is him calling me with 89 preflop in the first place. But when you try and explain this - he cannot understand why i would raise, no matter what i said! - Can you Bandit??

If I'm being offered 2 to 1, I will call with most hands unless losing would bust me or leave me severely crippled.

I've done this plenty of times. If he still has a stack to play with afterwards then i see no problem with his call.

Raising and calling shorter stacks all ins with less than premium hands and winning a few is essential to being able to win tournaments at the FT.

If you sit and wait for premiums on final tables you won't win many tournaments.

I've hit sick runner runner outs and alike and genuinely feel bad for the guy who gets knocked out but i'm trying to win those chips so however they come is a bonus.

At least you can get creative with the 45 I can understand a steal with that but when and if I make a steal attempt with say Q 6 I can get away with it of someone pushes all in!  in your position once you have made the steal attempt and got looked up you have 8 outs when the flop comes down, I can see why you push all in.  But i still have difficulty understanding why he calls with with Q 6 when someone comes over the top.

Because:

He tries to steal.

Short stack pushes the rest of his stack

He figures AK...

If he calls hes still got a workable stack

Hes getting better than pot odds to call. (As was mentioned above, about 2 to 1 price on a 6 to 4 bet)

1/ Pot odds

2/ He still has chips if he loses.

3/ As mentioned by Flushy, to spook the table. If he calls and wins, no bugger is going to come over the top again without a genuine hand.

They know he will call, and so fold holdings like KJ, 44 to his raises, content as they are to move up the prize ladder while he locks up 2nd place.

If he calls and loses, this still works if he manages to double up.

4/ There's value to be had in knoking someone out.

5/ The chips he get when he wins the pot will give him a huge stack, which it appears as if he knows how to use.

6/ Because folding is for quitters.  :D

7/ Top heavy prize pool perhaps?

8/ Oh bugger, that's seven, I'll need to come up with another 2 now, to get that job on Letteman.

9/ Erm.....As Q6o has ands like J6o in a lot of trouble.  :dontask:

10/ His mouse is playing up and won't visit the left hand side of the screen, where fold is located. He'll buy a new one after he wins this pot, and all but locks up a top money spot in this tournament.

simply not an option!  i think its a very marginal call but the chips he has to call your bet have probably been piched using the same methods.  I think i probably call as if i passed the whole table would know i was at it. If you call they will know this also, but will see your not passing to a re-raise. I think my play is to raise all bar 70k of my stack, this will look like more  than AK and maybe, maybe he releases, hmmmmm

try the stop go play

Stop obsessing with getting your money in ahead and you will find whole new avenues of tournament strategy suddenly emerge in front of you that will make you a better player. It's certainly better than just assuming he is a "Muppet of the highest calibre"

pushing ak is the only option to maximise ev imo. hindsight is a great thing when looking back at hands but i think elsa played it correct to extract most value overtime. the push does offer 2to1 but the play does have folding equity over a lot of hands and a lot of players.

i think his call is questionable. i would call here if i got closer to 3to1. i may even call with something like 89s, but i would fear the Q being dominated.

ul elsa but wp.

Please stop educating the likes if bandit as he and others like him are the value at the cincins games, you will onl make my job a bit less easy.  ;goodvevil;