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Title: Whats your move Post by: JoeStrummer on August 02, 2006, 06:55:51 PM You and your opponant (heads up) have 2000 in chips after posting the blinds. 100 in the pot.
You have Ah 2H your opponant has 10D 10C (you both know each others hands) flop 7H 4H 10S. Whats your move? I would be intrested on how people would play this because of the possible outcomes. All in? raise 4x BB??? Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: Claw75 on August 02, 2006, 06:58:19 PM fold, surely?!
Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: thetank on August 02, 2006, 06:58:49 PM Erm, check fold because your opponent is a big favourite and you've seen his cards.
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Ts 7h 4h cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV T c T d 737 74.44 253 25.56 0 0.00 0.744 A h 2 h 253 25.56 737 74.44 0 0.00 0.256 Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: raab11 on August 02, 2006, 06:59:54 PM where do you play this 'knowing each others hand' game anyway fold fold and fold again Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: JoeStrummer on August 02, 2006, 07:03:13 PM where do you play this 'knowing each others hand' game anyway fold fold and fold again Thats hypothetical really and i have probably not got across very well what I meant, so my apologises on that one. I was thinking more of a check, see the bet and make the decision then. Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: JoeStrummer on August 02, 2006, 07:04:23 PM Soz wrong board :(
Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: I, Zimbra on August 02, 2006, 07:06:37 PM If I know I'm a huge underdog, and he knows he's a huge favourite, he can bet what he likes and I won't call.
Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: Claw75 on August 02, 2006, 07:07:26 PM where do you play this 'knowing each others hand' game anyway fold fold and fold again Thats hypothetical really and i have probably not got across very well what I meant, so my apologises on that one. I was thinking more of a check, see the bet and make the decision then. still fold to any bet. If he knows your cards (as you say he does) he's probably going to go all in. Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: thetank on August 02, 2006, 07:10:10 PM Well if he knows your cards, there's bugger all in the way of implied odds. (He ain't going to call your bets when you hit)
So you've 9 outs, and 45 unknown cards. I guess you're calling a bet of 20, and folding to a bet of 30 then. There's 100 chips in the pot, and you have exactly 20% chance of making a flush on the turn. (Note, if he bets 25, there's 125 in the pot, and you have exactly the right odds to call. Calling 26 would be a mistake.) Hypothetically, he bets 20, you call and hit your flush. What's the minimum amount you should now bet, in order to get your opponent to make a mistake. Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: Royal Flush on August 02, 2006, 07:15:08 PM Well if he knows your cards, there's bugger all in the way of implied odds. (He ain't going to call your bets when you hit) So you've 9 outs, and 45 unknown cards. I guess you're calling a bet of 20, and folding to a bet of 30 then. There's 100 chips in the pot, and you have exactly 20% chance of making a flush on the turn. Hypothetically, he bets 20, you call and hit your flush. What's the minimum amount you should now bet, in order to get your opponent to make a mistake. Tank you are forgetting that he will be priced into making a turn call if you flush up as he has a house draw. Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: thetank on August 02, 2006, 07:17:46 PM Only if you bet less than x.
What is x boys and girls? 140 in the pot, your opponent has 22.73% chance of housing up if he calls. Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: SupaMonkey on August 02, 2006, 07:58:55 PM x is 41. This is interesting though. I would have thought it would have been approx 30% to hit by the river. I guess that 25% takes into account the redraw to the house.
Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: thetank on August 02, 2006, 08:09:28 PM 140 in the pot, you bet 41.
Your opponent has to acll 41 to win 181. Your opponent is +Ev to make the call still (by like a less than halfa halfa a chip) 0.2273 x 181 = 41.1413 For him to make a mistake, you'd have to bet at least 42. 0.2273 x 182 = 41.3686 It is now you that make the less than halfa chip. Wahey. Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: SupaMonkey on August 02, 2006, 08:13:48 PM Yea, that's what i meant.
Title: Re: Whats your move Post by: bhoywonder on August 02, 2006, 10:38:25 PM Yea, that's what i meant. christ u guys love maths |