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Title: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Newmanseye on August 07, 2006, 11:29:46 PM
Quick teaser you lot, How do you beat a 9 handed table when you are playing super tight aggressive.

its a 25p/50p pot limit hold-em game.

seat 1 is a loose player who loves rag aces.

seat 2 is a tight player, however overplays big aces

seat 3 is a loosecalling station, playing and calling down with every hand

Seat 4 is one of the 3 tight aggressive players at the table, playing only premium hands and getting in to cheap flops when possible.

Seat 5 is a maniac loose player, calling every raise and re raising with rags, out of place at the table as he and the 5  other loose players usually play the larger £2/£4 game with a  straddle to the button.

Seat 6 is a Tight aggressive playersimilar to seat 4

Seat 7 Is one of the loose players who is playing every hand, holds on to pocket pairs and seems to be the card rack of the evening.

Seat 8 is another loose player similar to seat 7, calling down to the river with K high and similar.

Seat 9 is the final Tight player of the evening similar to the others.


Now here is the quandary, the maximum buy in is £50, we have 4 players who are usually playing a much larger game, so in order to boost the pots they are straddling and double straddling whenever possible, The pot will be raised and re raised the pot limit im most hands, usually with rags.  We are seat 4 who is on the third buy in of the evening, both other buy ins have been lost on premium hand having been cracked in 4 way pots called to the river by the loose players.

How do we beat a game where our bets do not phase the opponents, the starting hand selection is non existent and we are out bankrolled by players wading in to shallow waters?

I could not think of a strategy so I removed myself from the game, better to wait for a game i can beat than try to play outwith my limits.

Comments please.


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Jinky04 on August 07, 2006, 11:38:57 PM
If I had to play it, see flops with hands with high implied odds with position. don't mess about , if you hit pot and pot some more plus dont get hung up on premium hands on 5 way flops.

Wait a minute, this is a loaded question- "how do you beat a 9 handed table when you are playing super tight aggressive" - eh don't get outdrawn?

But I think you were right to walk away, if the games a bit wild and you don't want to gamble then don't but I think there's plenty of opportunity for profit here if you are prepared to gamble a bit preflop .


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Newmanseye on August 07, 2006, 11:52:25 PM
If I had to play it, see flops with hands with high implied odds with position. don't mess about , if you hit pot and pot some more plus dont get hung up on premium hands on 5 way flops.

Wait a minute, this is a loaded question- "how do you beat a 9 handed table when you are playing super tight aggressive" - eh don't get outdrawn?

But I think you were right to walk away, if the games a bit wild and you don't want to gamble then don't but I think there's plenty of opportunity for profit here if you are prepared to gamble a bit preflop .

I only played in pots where i had a premium hand, Position was nagated a lot by the 4 callers to most pots, trips were no use as river cards would often bring boats for the card racks, One thing is for sure, if you have a deep roll and want to gamble, this would be the game to be in, the real problem is the players from the larger game who are creating pots witrh rags and catching cards. The best idea I had was to leave the game, but there must be a way to beat a game like this.


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: thetank on August 08, 2006, 12:35:49 AM
Sounds like a money game, just wait for the cards and make big pre-flop raises when they do come.

If you're getting 4 callers, raise more next time. Simple really.


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Newmanseye on August 08, 2006, 01:15:30 AM
Sounds like a money game, just wait for the cards and make big pre-flop raises when they do come.

If you're getting 4 callers, raise more next time. Simple really.

Its a pot limit game, I was raising the pot each time


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: The Nomad on August 08, 2006, 01:56:02 AM
You are definately in the wrong seat, seat 6 is where you want to be, Ok you wont be playing many hands but to have position on the maniac is number 1 priority, you didnt say if you could move, so I cannot really work out what you should do under the circumstances re whos git the chips and wot not


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Newmanseye on August 08, 2006, 02:01:53 AM
Its not possible to change seats


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: thetank on August 08, 2006, 02:34:48 PM
That's a bit wank.


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Scottish Dave on August 08, 2006, 02:44:03 PM
Let me guess....CinCins By any chance, was this your way of having a dig and Jihn and Boba again lol


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: johnlarsson on August 08, 2006, 02:55:15 PM
no not me i wasnt playing.

i then played later on and hit a few hands. got paid then a bigger game started and it was all wee players again and then i couldnt hit shit lol


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Newmanseye on August 08, 2006, 03:34:58 PM
Let me guess....CinCins By any chance, was this your way of having a dig and Jihn and Boba again lol

Not at all, we all know that boba is a fish, it was more the players from the big game sitting in and taking the game out of its set limits.


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: johnlarsson on August 08, 2006, 04:25:59 PM
I Find in pot limit you dont want big hands like AK and AA and KK.  because preflop u aint going to get rid of nobody and once the flop comes somone will be beating you but its impossible to fold. (well AA and KK anyway as long as  A hasnt droppped)


I like 8,9 and 10,j  and 4,5  and even small pairs that if you dont hit trips you can fold easily




Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Newmanseye on August 08, 2006, 04:33:34 PM
Aye but who is calling off £9 preflop with  9s 8s sin a 25p / 50p game, its 1 fifth of your starting stack.


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: johnlarsson on August 08, 2006, 04:40:25 PM
aye £9 is different.  but when ive been playing there aint been many £9 preflop raises.


id call 3.50 and below. with 8,9  etc



Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Bongo on August 08, 2006, 04:59:55 PM
Surely if it's £9 to call then you can repot it with premiums for a decent amount and thin the field somewhat?


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: johnlarsson on August 08, 2006, 05:04:53 PM
i think billy means   he has a good hand and is potting.  it is £9 for everyone else to call and ppl are doing it with shit and hitting and he must fold


if someone was potting with shit into billy then great he can re-pot all his money almost


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Newmanseye on August 08, 2006, 05:07:34 PM
Surely if it's £9 to call then you can repot it with premiums for a decent amount and thin the field somewhat?

The loose players were callinmg stations, so to repot it was not working, I had Aces called allin to a pot, pot, pot ect allin to £50 with  9h 4d,  I think one of the other hands was Q 2 off also, Like I said I tried the standard moves of repot to thin the field, but to no avail, To give you an idea, the loose players play omaha 6 turn for £50 per hand, theu get the cards delt and everyone is in for £50 and they tuen the cards, who ever has the best hand wins, so a small game means nothing, they were there to gamble as much a possible.


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Newmanseye on August 08, 2006, 08:33:33 PM
Well it looks like no one else has a strategy other than a deep pocket for this type of table, more opinions would be appreciated though.


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Boba Fett on August 08, 2006, 08:45:03 PM
You're in here asking how to beat a 25p/50p cash game and you're calling me a fish??   pffffft


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Newmanseye on August 08, 2006, 08:55:26 PM
You're in here asking how to beat a 25p/50p cash game and you're calling me a fish??   pffffft

Last night it was not a 25 / 50 cash game, it was spiraling out of control


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Boba Fett on August 08, 2006, 08:59:53 PM
John made the point during the game last night that, you reach a point in this specific game where people go nuts, chase their lost money and other people use their stacks to call down anything.  The game then reaches a point where everyone has some sort of stack and there is less gambling and more poker.  If you're sitting down you need to try to ride out the gambling phase if you're not willing to gamble.  Getting people out with big hands is just a PL strategy that you may need to work on.  Sometimes just betting the pot at every possible opportunity like a fish isnt the best way to go.


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Jinky04 on August 08, 2006, 09:49:37 PM

I had Aces called allin to a pot, pot, pot ect allin to £50 with  9h 4d,  I think one of the other hands was Q 2 off also


What's the problem here? You should be shaking these guys hands and telling them to pop back next time  :D


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Newmanseye on August 08, 2006, 09:51:13 PM

I had Aces called allin to a pot, pot, pot ect allin to £50 with  9h 4d,  I think one of the other hands was Q 2 off also


What's the problem here? You should be shaking these guys hands and telling them to pop back next time  :D

Hell i want that call from 1 person not from 3 or 4, Yes its the call i want but not multi way.


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: thetank on August 08, 2006, 10:47:36 PM
Ususally people want to be heads up with Aces when there are still plenty chips to bet.

If you're pretty much stacking off pre-flop (nice work if you can get it) the more callers the better.


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Royal Flush on August 09, 2006, 11:07:25 PM
Ususally people want to be heads up with Aces when there are still plenty chips to bet.

If you're pretty much stacking off pre-flop (nice work if you can get it) the more callers the better.

He ain't wrong, this sounds like a dream table. I don't really know what you are asking about you said you are playing TAG, the hardest thing for a TAG is getting paid off, that seems easy here.....


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Newmanseye on August 10, 2006, 12:07:01 AM
Maybe it just was not my night, I could not crack the table and none of my hands stood up, Probably best that I left the game before i tilted off a load of money, I was pretty sure it was a case of variance, but I was not prepared to go any deeper than 3 buyins to crack the table.


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: fergus8 on August 10, 2006, 07:06:36 AM
passive play is best


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: mikkyT on August 10, 2006, 09:02:06 PM
This game is E V I L... don't play it.

Loosing £250 in a 25p/50p game is sick.


Title: Re: Strategy to beat this game
Post by: Royal Flush on August 11, 2006, 01:49:15 PM
This game is E V I L... don't play it.

Loosing £250 in a 25p/50p game is sick.

Winning £250 in it must be pretty cool :D