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Title: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: londonpokergirl on August 10, 2006, 10:56:53 PM
ok  blinds are 2000/4000  10 players left and we have done a saver of £500 for 10th place

I'm the short stack with my bb in and 10.5k left , other table has all stacks over 35k and one huge stack at 90k,  my table has  Greek Jack to my left 45k, Richard Ashby to his leftabout 80k, Amanda just doubled to 30k and Theo on about 25k

I get dealt  2h 4c in the bb
Richard Ashby raises to 9k everybody folds around to me,  I think for a good minute, take a look at other table and decide as I've lively cards i'm all in. 

Question I have to ask is do you think I made the right move considering my stack ?
I'll give you the outcome later


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: Dewi_cool on August 10, 2006, 11:03:07 PM
as good a time as any IMO


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: GlasgowBandit on August 10, 2006, 11:14:35 PM
I think you can pass this one and wait for another turn.



Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on August 10, 2006, 11:23:43 PM
You cannot pass this one. You have to go for it, if you want to win the tournament of course.. Heads up action is nice too - just pray that your up against AK AQ rather than a PP. If you double up here you are on 23k but if you pass your BB and double up next hand off of the BB then your only on 13k and in need of another double up withing one round still!! But, of course, if you want to just make the final table then a fold can be made - but dont expect any higher than 9th place and you might not even get there considering everybody elses stack!


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: londonpokergirl on August 10, 2006, 11:37:41 PM
You cannot pass this one. You have to go for it, if you want to win the tournament of course.. Heads up action is nice too - just pray that your up against AK AQ rather than a PP. If you double up here you are on 23k but if you pass your BB and double up next hand off of the BB then your only on 13k and in need of another double up withing one round still!! But, of course, if you want to just make the final table then a fold can be made - but dont expect any higher than 9th place and you might not even get there considering everybody elses stack!

yep I thought the same thing and hoped exactly the same, live cards and all that

my 2 4 off was live, i was v  AJ off
flop 9 9 2     yaya i think
turn jack   grrrr
river irrelevant  grrrr  lol   I'm sure I made the right move as if I move at that point i can be on about 30k or if I wait I only have 3 hands and i'm guaranteed a caller

aah well good job I have a £500 saver ;)  thanks boys , didn't think I did anything wrong
xx


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on August 10, 2006, 11:41:31 PM
Nothing wrong! Just want that bit of luck! Never mind! Well played !


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: GlasgowBandit on August 11, 2006, 10:26:08 AM
I can see the logic behind what you done Mel and Rookie makes a fair point as well, but i would have waited for another chance, but thats probably why i don't win as much when i get down to the bubble when i am short stacked. 



Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: ruthless1 on August 11, 2006, 10:58:09 AM
I would have done just the same, you got to be prepared to die to live 8)


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: Trix on August 11, 2006, 11:08:19 AM
I think you can wait one more as well but there's no problem going with it. well done on the cash


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: boldie on August 11, 2006, 03:46:08 PM
I think you can wait one more as well but there's no problem going with it. well done on the cash

you're BB...making the move with 2 live cards was a fair play..I actually quite like it and respect players that can make it.
If you had not been BB or SB it would have been a terrible play..but from the BB (when you're already involved in the pot) well done.


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: londonpokergirl on August 11, 2006, 03:54:43 PM
I think you can wait one more as well but there's no problem going with it. well done on the cash

you're BB...making the move with 2 live cards was a fair play..I actually quite like it and respect players that can make it.
If you had not been BB or SB it would have been a terrible play..but from the BB (when you're already involved in the pot) well done.

ty :)


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: Royal Flush on August 11, 2006, 06:00:08 PM
Passing is shocking here, i can't believe people think you should pass here!!!

My question is what happened the hand before? Why did you not push all in UTG?


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: londonpokergirl on August 11, 2006, 06:10:40 PM
Passing is shocking here, i can't believe people think you should pass here!!!

My question is what happened the hand before? Why did you not push all in UTG?

hand previous i forgot and looked at my cards , because was gonna push all in without looking
but decided 92off wasn't good enough :)  and folded lol


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: Royal Flush on August 11, 2006, 06:29:51 PM
Passing is shocking here, i can't believe people think you should pass here!!!

My question is what happened the hand before? Why did you not push all in UTG?

hand previous i forgot and looked at my cards , because was gonna push all in without looking
but decided 92off wasn't good enough :)  and folded lol

Don't push blind, look then push.

UTG+1? Why did you fold? The whole round when i am that short i am looking to push any unopened pot.


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: londonpokergirl on August 11, 2006, 09:02:11 PM
I was stealing when I could which was difficult when Richard Ashby was raising almost every pot, I reraised all in twice when he did that and folded

But after doing that manoevre for over 45 mins with no cards I think I lasted a lot longer than most people would have done in that position


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: snoopy1239 on August 12, 2006, 10:54:19 AM
I think you let yourself go too short and shouldn't have ended up in this predicament.

I would have pushed at an earlier point when I had enough chips to make my opponents fold.

I'm not too keen on leaving it to an all-in call with live (hopefully) cards.


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: Royal Flush on August 12, 2006, 12:49:22 PM
I lasted a lot longer than most people would have done in that position

Thats the problem, you were trying to survive rather than get some chips!


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: londonpokergirl on August 12, 2006, 01:26:43 PM
you're missing the point of Richard raising almost every hand,  if i'm gonna take him on, i need half a hand, with which I wasn't getting

Anyway the hand analysis was about was 24 a good call

not about how Iplayed to get to final 10!


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: Royal Flush on August 12, 2006, 01:35:43 PM
Fair do's the 24 was fine, it's just a situation you could have avoided. I am not saying tangle with Richard, i am saying pick an un-opened pot.

That way when you push your 10k the most likey situation is that evreyone passes and the BB calls. Your 10k is then in a 24k pot against a random hand, rather than a 22k pot against a selected hand.

Sometimes you will get a fold around (big mistake but it happens)

And then the final scenario when someone isolates with a re-raise, you get it headsup for 10k in a 26k pot. Even possible someone calls your bet then fold to the isolating raise, 36k!!!


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: londonpokergirl on August 12, 2006, 01:43:28 PM
Fair do's the 24 was fine, it's just a situation you could have avoided. I am not saying tangle with Richard, i am saying pick an un-opened pot.

That way when you push your 10k the most likey situation is that evreyone passes and the BB calls. Your 10k is then in a 24k pot against a random hand, rather than a 22k pot against a selected hand.

Sometimes you will get a fold around (big mistake but it happens)

And then the final scenario when someone isolates with a re-raise, you get it headsup for 10k in a 26k pot. Even possible someone calls your bet then fold to the isolating raise, 36k!!!

completely agree, however there never was an unopened pot :(   i was seriously working hard to double up, just never got a real opportunity, and never saw an ace or a king in last hour  but feel that I played as well as I could do


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: Royal Flush on August 12, 2006, 02:19:10 PM
Fair do's the 24 was fine, it's just a situation you could have avoided. I am not saying tangle with Richard, i am saying pick an un-opened pot.

That way when you push your 10k the most likey situation is that evreyone passes and the BB calls. Your 10k is then in a 24k pot against a random hand, rather than a 22k pot against a selected hand.

Sometimes you will get a fold around (big mistake but it happens)

And then the final scenario when someone isolates with a re-raise, you get it headsup for 10k in a 26k pot. Even possible someone calls your bet then fold to the isolating raise, 36k!!!

completely agree, however there never was an unopened pot :(   i was seriously working hard to double up, just never got a real opportunity, and never saw an ace or a king in last hour  but feel that I played as well as I could do

Someone raised before you when you were UTG?  :D

Still well done.


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: londonpokergirl on August 12, 2006, 03:32:19 PM
Fair do's the 24 was fine, it's just a situation you could have avoided. I am not saying tangle with Richard, i am saying pick an un-opened pot.

That way when you push your 10k the most likey situation is that evreyone passes and the BB calls. Your 10k is then in a 24k pot against a random hand, rather than a 22k pot against a selected hand.

Sometimes you will get a fold around (big mistake but it happens)

And then the final scenario when someone isolates with a re-raise, you get it headsup for 10k in a 26k pot. Even possible someone calls your bet then fold to the isolating raise, 36k!!!

completely agree, however there never was an unopened pot :(   i was seriously working hard to double up, just never got a real opportunity, and never saw an ace or a king in last hour  but feel that I played as well as I could do

Someone raised before you when you were UTG?  :D

Still well done.

as i said i folded 8 2 UTG


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: Royal Flush on August 12, 2006, 04:49:00 PM
What about the round before?


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: action man on August 13, 2006, 03:34:17 AM
I think you let yourself go too short and shouldn't have ended up in this predicament.

I would have pushed at an earlier point when I had enough chips to make my opponents fold.

I'm not too keen on leaving it to an all-in call with live (hopefully) cards.

i don't like this statement, mel could have lost as big pot and been gifted this many chips back!!  for what its worth, i believe with 4k invested and 10k back (and i have told mel the same) i would have waited for the next hand(if it came) at least and if not,  pushed all in utg, i completely understand the play mel made but i like to push, even if next hand u have K-high vs the bb, u are favourite (blind) to have the best of it. i think its a very subjective hand analysis where nobody can be proven right... well done for playing well all week, rick


Title: Re: Luton £300 +1rebuy/add on
Post by: Royal Flush on August 13, 2006, 01:18:28 PM
I think i have misread this, i thought it was 10.5k total, not 4k+10.5k