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Title: Too tight again? Post by: byronkincaid on August 17, 2006, 11:47:45 AM The stats I had on him at the time were something like 39/20/9/35
FullTiltPoker Game #905947416: Table Red Hills (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 6:30:33 ET - 2006/08/17 Seat 1: tcRider76 ($230.80) Seat 2: ulm8Gotcha ($342.55) Seat 3: gimmedatgrip ($198) Seat 4: legoman33 ($232.75) Seat 5: ripkeniv ($363.75) gimmedatgrip posts the small blind of $1 legoman33 posts the big blind of $2 The button is in seat #2 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to ulm8Gotcha [Kc Ah] ripkeniv folds tcRider76 folds ulm8Gotcha raises to $7 gimmedatgrip folds legoman33 calls $5 *** FLOP *** [9h Ts 7d] legoman33 bets $10 ulm8Gotcha raises to $36 legoman33 calls $26 *** TURN *** [9h Ts 7d] [6s] legoman33 checks ulm8Gotcha bets $64 legoman33 calls $64 *** RIVER *** [9h Ts 7d 6s] [8d] legoman33 has 15 seconds left to act legoman33 bets $75 ulm8Gotcha has 15 seconds left to act ulm8Gotcha folds Uncalled bet of $75 returned to legoman33 legoman33 mucks legoman33 wins the pot ($212) Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: boldie on August 17, 2006, 12:20:15 PM you didn't have a jack...so then it's just a matter of whether you believed he did or not...this is a very personal call...but ussually if both players don't have the jack..he who bets wins.
Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: BigSoti on August 17, 2006, 12:57:15 PM I doubt I'd be able to find a call here. You don't just need to avoid him having a jack, he could aslo have hit any one of the five cards on the board or had any pocket pair to beat you.
Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: ACE2M on August 17, 2006, 01:01:25 PM I doubt I'd be able to find a call here. You don't just need to avoid him having a jack, he could aslo have hit any one of the five cards on the board or had any pocket pair to beat you. hhmmm, have they changed the rules? Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: matt674 on August 17, 2006, 01:16:29 PM I doubt I'd be able to find a call here. You don't just need to avoid him having a jack, he could aslo have hit any one of the five cards on the board or had any pocket pair to beat you. hhmmm, have they changed the rules? What ACE is trying to say is that there is a straight on board and he can only be beaten by a J. ;) To be honest i'm no cash game expert but you are asking whether you are too tight and yet you fired two pot size bets on both the flop and turn on a complete bluff. Have to agree with what has already been said so far - when this kind of situation arises when i'm playing tourneys i have to say i just go on feelings at the given time in question and will either call, fold or reraise accordingly. Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: byronkincaid on August 17, 2006, 01:20:35 PM TTAG.
Too Tight Aggressive? :D Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: BigSoti on August 17, 2006, 02:13:15 PM Doh, sorry guys, obviously not paying attention. My head is hung in shame. :blonde:
Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: matt674 on August 17, 2006, 02:16:10 PM Doh, sorry guys, obviously not paying attention. My head is hung in shame. :blonde: Do you fancy a quick heads up match then :D ;) Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: Hoooobaa on August 17, 2006, 03:12:45 PM Did you think flop play was optimal, I think it's awful.
You spent 36 dollars protecting a 12 dollar pot with ace high on a draw heavy board. It is unlikely that he only has a naked 8 and unless you can discuss prior play at the table and your image I can't imagine giving a range of a hands a fold equity estimate. Hooba Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: matt674 on August 17, 2006, 03:26:48 PM There is $25 already in the pot when Byron calls $10 and raises a further $26.
I couldn't put Legoman on J8 as he leads out on the flop but J10 or JJ are very possible and he may not have known where he was until he hits his gutshot draw on the river. But then i havent been watching his play, betting patterns or hands leading upto the hand in question Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: Hoooobaa on August 17, 2006, 03:29:42 PM There is $25 already in the pot when Byron calls $10 and raises a further $26. Hero isn't protecting Villain's bet. Hooba Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: geeforce1 on August 18, 2006, 06:45:47 AM Did you think flop play was optimal, I think it's awful. You spent 36 dollars protecting a 12 dollar pot with ace high on a draw heavy board. It is unlikely that he only has a naked 8 and unless you can discuss prior play at the table and your image I can't imagine giving a range of a hands a fold equity estimate. Hooba imo the rr on the flop was a good play. and as long as ur opponants have the ability to fold, a def +ev move. most flop plays bk into a raiser from the blinds are weak and a rr can take it away. and if they call you would expect (unless the guy has set up, in which case wp) that 1 if not both ur cards are live. even if this play alone is a break even play then its worth doing so that you are more inclined to get paid when u r not 'at it' 50 50 call on river for me. there is probs just enough in the pot 2 warrent it Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: M3boy on August 18, 2006, 07:38:29 AM I also like the re raise on the flop - you have to know where you stand, and also you may win the pot here.
On the turn, I dont like his check and would check behind him. Call any smallish (pot size) river bet - gives you an image that you will not be pushed around and you may be splitting the pot. Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: JP on August 18, 2006, 06:51:05 PM Um the AK is going nowhere in this hand I fold on flop. Can only get into trouble vs hands like Aspades 9s and Kc Tc.
There is $7 invested in this pot swallow it and move on. I think I probably call the $75 as well. Title: Re: Too tight again? Post by: totalise on August 18, 2006, 07:02:21 PM I agree with JP.. folding the flop is likely best, .. look at the flop texture , you have a bad hand and no real prospects, but most importantly you aren't likely to get someone folding given the flop lead so you are just getting yourself into trouble.
The turn is pretty dire, if you dont give up on the flop, give up on the turn , as for the river I push here as much as I call |