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After some whinging from myself & some others, Cincinatti's has agreed to run a tournament the way we want (except for 1 rebuy - I'd have a freezeout). So we're suggesting:

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Thurs 8th of Sept.

£15 No Limit, One Rebuy/Top-up Only in 1st hour.

Start 8:00pm Sharp.

3000 in Chips starting.

Blinds:
50/100 for 1 hour then 20 Mins each of:
100/200
150/300
200/400
300/600
400/800
600/1200
800/1600
1000/2000 etc.

Payout structure (to 8 man final table), payouts will be adjusted to nearest £5:

30%
20%
15%
11%
9%
7%
5%
3%
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We need at least 30 players to get this on, so any Glasgow based punters please indicate on here if you intend to play. Who knows maybe if they see a game end without a deal there will be more flat structure games?


Ironsides/Tikay - I'm not sure if this is in the right area of the forum, but it's where the complaining about payouts/structures etc is taking place, feel free to move it if you want.

Be better if the blinds started at 25/50

Don't think they have the correctly numbered chips to do that :)

I think this is great, it effectively becomes a £30 double chance freezeout. Count me in! 8pm though... thats running the risk of not having a tournament. Riverboat fiver night will have loads of people not getting in at 9pm.

Correct on the chips - originally thought of 1500 starting at 25/50 then realised they start at 50.

Re start time - there's loads who don't want to play till 3am on a school night - so hopefully will entice some of them into an earlier game - might make it 9 if enough ask for it though.

is that start at 9 or registration at 9? I know it is making things later but if you make it a 9pm registration then those that dont get in queueing for the bingo night at riverboat will be able to shoot over to the Cincinnati.... I'd be willing to hang around on the Thursday at riverboat directing the stragglers to cincinnati.

No, the thinking is that those who don't like the later nights & bingo night structure will hopefully go for it - probably make it 8 reg for 8:30 start.

All supposing we can get the 30 - there's a lot of guys from Shotts/Uddingston/Motherwell expressed an intrest - so they'd want earlier rather than later to get home.

Might be worth doing a spot of advertising the night before then :) Get Cincinnati to print some flyers (or do em yourself)

Will work on it....

There's a few forums I can put the info on - once we know we've a few players going to turn up.

RFC & other Glasgow punters - get your names in - The UEFA cup's not on that night so you won't have a game  ;).

Is Thursday not bingo night at CinCin as well?

Stick to the 8pm start time & you'll get going by 8.30 - 8.45 I'm easy as I'll just take Friday off but if your looking to make this a regular event try for an early start & see what the response is.

Theres loads of play in that stucture so its going to run 4 to 5 hours minimum I reckon.

Anyway good stuff Rod lets make this work  ;)

Yes but as it stands, people are only going to go to CinCin when they put prize money in the pot or when Riverboat becomes full. Old habits and all that

Ok im in give us a reminder nearer the time

But there's also lots of players who won't go to the Riverboat or CinCin while it's all rebuys, low chips, fast blinds (CinCin's is a wee bit better) & top3 payout only.

Hopefully we can tap into some of them & get a new market (I don't care which venue cashes in - I just want to play at a better time in a better game).

I think it's kind of daft the 3 clubs all playing the same games, competing for one small group of players.

Tell yer poker mates as well!!

No probs mikky you get the Glasgow punters in & we'll bring the Lanarkshire boys in  ;)

well why dont you try and get the poker club to try some small (£50-£300) freezeouts also to try some different games a little bit of PLO and PLO8 as well as stud will give guys a break from holdem nothing drastic once a month or somthing

if they put on a £100-£300 PLO or PLO8 freezeout i might even travel down for a game

The manager hates Holdem - loves Omaha....

We're on different bankrolls BTW, £50 - £300 small  :o - my biggest comp ever will be the £50 Freezeout at the Gutshot on Thursday.

Mikky to be honest we are thrying to get away from the types of Play/structure/times of the river boat - we are trying to get the opposite actually

Rod, stick to the plan mate, we will manage to get plenty for 8pm start

Ironside, i dont play anythinbg but Texas Hold'em tourneys

They have a 50 quid NLH on a Saturday night (there may be 1 re buy/top up, I'm not sure)

They also play PLO cash games

£50 game means its not profitable to play £100 means i can cover the costs if i make a reasonable finish £50 game means i have to finish in top 2 without a deal being done just to pay for petrol and hotel rooms etc etc

i dont play cash live


btw my bankroll is small, difference is i dont play that much so i play bigger events less often as i can't get anywhere close by

aaah i see, i suppose when you look at it that way, you really do need to play higher to recoop the costs of trip.

Another problem is all there cash games of £100+ are held up the spiral stairs(not wheelchair friendly)

and the highest tourney they play downstairs is the £50 Texas holdem

Couldn't agree more... The problem is that the riverboat has always had to contend with is, management actually want to change the prize structure, but the last time they did it, 2 of the regulars went nuts after it went to a chip count, 5 prizes, but they demanded their 50%/30% prizes as the prize structure had just been changed... so they changed it back again :/

With the times, I'm unsure why they are unwilling to move the times. What pisses me off is that the other clubs are all trying to run a similar game, competing by just being clones of each other... hmm, yeah like that will work.

They are losing players to the Maybury over in Edinburgh. The likes of Trento, Ellen, Rob Gillion will go over to Edinburgh and pay because for the same amount of money you are getting a much bigger prize pot (more players & deeper pockets means more rebuys) and also Maybury are now doing 2 £50 games a week.

From September, the Tuesday game at the riverboat will now be £50 every week (to compete with CinCin's £20 + cash added to the kitty).

I'd love to see more freezeouts and double chance games being introduced. The biggest thing we need to do is bring more players into the game. The old timers are too set in their ways to do anything about changing, so the only way to bring players in is as you say, change the times and the game formats to cater for their needs.

Who knows, you may also see some crossover. I'll still be playing the £5 Monday riverboat bingo nights, but there's plenty of other days of the week :D

My wish list would definitely be more freezouts, earlier start times, and a bit of variety. Some Pot Limit Omaha would be a nice start.

You've got all of the above

So are you playing ?

Its an Omaha tourney? Bah can't play then...

no its a texas holdem tourney

teacake is talking about the cash game omaha

I could be wrong but I thought he was just fishin

Allright lads,

My first post in here but thought i'd add my support for this.  I can probably bring a few other lads along as well.  Mickey - I've seen you quite a bit at the riverboat (I was the young guy dealing at the table you went out on in the £5 rebuy on Monday), was going to mention that I'd read your blog but you were out quite quickly ;)

I've not been to the new club yet, can you just join on the night?

Welcome to blonde Wellchief. We seem to have a very active Scottish section. Enjoy!

You can join on the night, but ideally some will join before-hand & say they're joining for the tourney....

Hopefully see you there.

Welcome aborad WellChief

I take it your a Lanarkshire Lad then?

Welcome to the forum WellChief

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Just so ya know ;)

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Nice one Kev

wellchief, im curious about your name mate, as there is horse named that, the only reason i remember is cos i won a fair bit on the ole fella!

any connection?

Yes Dave it's named after the horse, it's my play name on a lot of poker sites so just signed up here with it.  I'm a Glasgow man by the way what makes you think i'm from Lankashire?

well as in motherwell sort of made us all think you were one of those guys that were a loaf short of a giro

Lol  :D

Rod has confirmed date as Thursday 8th Sept.

Lets get as many bods in as we can & hopefully this will be regular (ie weekly/monthly) event at CinCin

If they did it weekly it would provide some direct competition to the £5 Thursday bingo night at Riverboat, hopefully making everyone happy.

But for the fact that the starting times are different... those that don't get in at Riverboat are going to have to go to Wabash £5 bingo night instead.

good tight players like the bingo night's more than they like freezeouts cause they get better value

nope, good tight players hate the bingo nights, as they suit very veryt loose players with deep pockets!

something i, who is a tight player, hates and cant afford!

hence the reason we are desperately trying for a new weekly freezeout!

Not strictly true... until very recently I would find myself on final tables with no re-buys, finishing in the money.

It's only when I changed my play, playing more hands with deeper pockets did I find myself up shit creek without a paddle :) Either that or the buggers are out drawing me more often these days...

lets see a good tight player plays £15 on average for the comp while the loose player pays £45 on average means that the loose player needs to make 3 times as much to get the same value from comp

in a freezeout both players pay the same amount of money thus reducing the value for the tight player

guess where i would rather be

(personally i prefer to play freezeouts but value wise i would be better in rebuys)

You should get down to Glasgow for the chip throwing comps they call re buys then  ;)

45 quid is being kind. The fiver rebuys have to be seen to be believed  :o

I did manage to place 2nd last week in a tenner rebuy without having to re buy so I reckon your right as long as you start well. The problem is when you get a bad start & have to resist and the re buy frenzy and keep your discipline.

A couple of the boys are goin in for the fiver rebuy at CinCin tonight, we'll see how they get on. (Divs as tight as a gnats chuff BTW  ;D)

Funnily enough.....

Got a real slagging off the guy who was dealing cos I hardly played a hand after hitting trip queens early to get a decent stack.  I was getting atrocious cards and couldn't really make a move cos there were a few limp every hand, call any raisers about. (Fiver rebuy dontcha know!?)

But I played along cos you never know when a super tight table image can come to your aid.

Went out on the bubble of the final table - 4 handed - when I got TT in the big blind. The big stack button raises the pot. Small blind (call anything) smooth calls.

I reraise in the hope the button is either at-it or has two big cards. Both smooth call, which I like cos it implies no overpair, but dislike cos I'd rather be heads up.

Flop is 663. Small blind checks. I'm all in which is roughly a pot size bet. Big Stack Button guy agonises for ages, which makes me think he's got me beat, but he looks very reluctant to call. Perhaps my super tight image can save me?

Nope - he reluctantly calls. Small blind calls all in with not a care in the world. Button has QQ, small blind has A3. Turn is another 3 and Mr Any Two Cards is off to the final table with a monster stack!

My total outlay - fiver buy-in, fiver top-up. But no pay off  :(

As an aside the night was pretty quiet. Which is a shame as it's a much nicer venue than the Riverboat, plus complimentary soft drinks, coffee and biscuits  :P

I hope more people get along soon.

You think its nicer than the riverboat? I think the riverboat is nicer tbh, plus complimentary food and tea/coffee/soft drinks of course.

Of course, the main thing is the people who are attending and the competiton being played. At the moment it seems to be the standard mob going to both, depending on whether Cincin is topping up the pot or not...

Mikky I just think the Riverboat feels a bit claustrophobic.

Agree the main thing is the actual game tho!

Div, did you get to speak to Sinky or anyone elsr for that matter re Tourney?

When folk were at the bar, the tourney was being mentioned to them.

Also spoke to a couple of GPS guys, who were keen.

I posted up the details of this on the GPS forum the other day, a few signups so far.

sorry ironside, i must have mis read your earlier post.

Yes if your talking about value wise, the Rebuys are better for tighter players!

however it was the anount of outdraws with shite hands that bugs me about rebuys, people call with anything!

the last time i played a rebuy was the £10 at CinCin last week!

i rebought 3/4 times, everytime i had A K, A Q, K K etc

and got beat with shite like 4 7, and 10 3 etc etc!

shocking calls eg, im last to act (BB 100) i raise with K K to 500 to go (so thats 5 x BB) and get 3 callers!

flop 10 6 3 rainbow, i check the guy bets 400, so i reraise him all in and he calls with 10 3!!!!!!!

why call the initial raise with 3 other players?

I hate rebuys!

because they want to accumulate chips because they aint good enough to play with an average stack once it becomes a freezeout

i defo think the CinCin club is nicer than the river boat, i absolutley cant stand the river boat, and doubt that ill ever go back, since CinCin has opened.

Shameless bump

Sounds like this could be successful - 10-12 from the Shotts area. 5-6 from the TPT. A bunch from the Glasgow Poker Forum. A few mates of mine. Mikky + however many he can rope in. Rfc?

We should make over the 30 easy.

I'll be at riverboat tomorrow attempting to drum up some action. Havent been since last Monday.

dont forget to find out about the £250 comp in the riverboat mikky

like is it a freezeout etc etc

Bumped for Vasuki, or Niv...... what ever your called on here lol

FAO Ironside

Rod reckons theres gonna be a £50k Omaha tourney at CinCin.

Rod do you have any details?

None at all - was just something one of the owners said.  I'll let you know if I find out more....

£50k who you think i am richard bloddy branson

£50 might be tempting if its a freezeout

pefer mabye £100 but £50 is cool enough to test waters with

Hello,

Me and the guys from GPS are really looking forward to the tourney on Thursday.  The start time is 8.30pm then?  We shall aim to be there for 8pm.

I have mixed feelings about the freezeout format over the unlimited rebuys, it does make for a tighter game. 

I try never to rebuy  more than once in any games at the riverboat, I usually take the topup in the £5 games, but other than that I try and restrict my outlay.  Making use of unlimited rebuys makes for much looser play during that period, and when playing that way it can be difficult to change gear when the rebuys finish.  That's when it's good to have been tight during the rebuy period, you can usually tell the players who are continuing to play with anything, which is a good advantage for the tight players, although not always a winner as I've found out on a few occassions.  The main problem for me with this format is having a large enough stack at the end of the rebuy period to actually play a few hands without having to go all-in.  You have to hope that you have had a solid few hands that weren't beaten by 4/5 callers.

The freezeout from the off is a more level playing field and people will play differently.  Hopefully we'll see a few folk still attempting to play bingo though, I don't mind that so much as they are then faced with elimination.

So, after all this... the tourney is £15 with one rebuy allowed.  No topups right?

See you guys on Thursday.

Cheers,

Eoan

Top-up available if you haven't had to rebuy....

Two more bums for this Thursday. Looking forward to it.

MM.

I'm starting to get worried now - if we have too many some tables will have to be self-deal  :( - it's a tough one to call - do I ask them to get more dealers in in case? Don't want them charging more than 10% for dealers if they have too many & not all that have said they'll be there turn up.....

Oh - and a regular in there is a magician - meant to be putting on a show before the tourney - a collection will be taken for charity after his wee show. I'll suggest it goes to the Poker4Charity.

Well, from GPS we have 11 signed up so far, 3 of them are guys that post here... Div, Paradise & MikkyT.

I suggest not getting more dealers in, self deal is ok if its just a couple of tables at the start of the tourney.  That way, if we don't get the 30 players we won't have to reduce the prize fund by paying for dealers we didn't need.

I confidently predict it will be nearer 50 than 30. Thats still only 5 tables so Shirley there will be enough dealers.
I find you get much more hands in with a dealer rather than self deal as they keep it moving along. Plus they are only 4 quid a head for the night.

Iron, I take it your taking the piss  :P

$50k prize fund not buy in  :o

that would mean its a rebuy event then

ha ha your joking, when rod put it on sevillians, i thought it ment 50K buy-in also lol

thats why i was so shocked!

Being new to this site..I;ve just noticed this post


damn im backshift on thursday...I wont make it

Besides im new to live poker....playing on the net for ages though

my first and only venture was a few weeks ago at the riverboat on a wedsnday for the 10 quid rebuy

wow...talk about bingo.LOL..I managed to survive the rebuy period with only one rebuy..which for my first time live i suppose i gotta be pleased with

Anyway wots this GPS..havent heard of it

Anyone have any details plz?

Hello,

50 folk on Thursday?  Should be a tastey pot!

GPS is the Glasgow Poker School, we organise home games and meetup for tournaments.  See my signature for the web address... or guess it. ;-)

Cheers,

Eoan

Hi all

can you add another 2 to the numbers? anything i need to do before we get there at 8pm or do we just register there

mad

You can join when you get there (but I'm starting to worry how many will be doing that  :o) - They will be open from 7:30 & a card sharp will be doing a demo of card tricks etc.

If everyone can try & get there sharp to get the show on the road.

Thanks,

Rod

Technically.... although I preferred to refer to it as a double chance freezeout with the option on not to purchase that extra set of 3000 chips ;)