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Title: Betting Into Dead Pots Post by: PUFCBoy on August 25, 2006, 01:16:28 AM Hi All
My first "new post", so forgive me if it is in the wrong place or has been covered a million times. Was playing Poker this evening.. Mid stages of an MTT - Short stack went all in, 2nd guy called, 3rd guy on the BB also called. Flop came 779. BB checked, other guy went all in for just over the pot. Other guy thought and thought, before laying down, what he said was K9. The raiser had something like J9. As it turned out, the J9 won the pot and the guy went out of the tourney. The chat box started talking about when you should and when you shouldn't bet into a dead pot. The guy who bet said that he thought his hand was best at the time and did not want to be outdrawn. The other guy pointed out that in general it is accepted etiquette to check it down so as to try and limit the opportunities of the all in guy to catch a card. In general, I believe it best to check the guy down and take him out. I have often checked, been bet at and then taken 2 out. But when should you bet into a dead pot - should you ever bet into a dead pot - should you just play the hand and ignore the dead pot? I would be interested in your thoughts... Cheers Posh. PS - This is the first site I have used with spell check - LOVE IT! Title: Re: Betting Into Dead Pots Post by: WellChief on August 25, 2006, 01:27:52 AM Depends on so many things, what stage of the tournament it is, what your stack is etc. If you're sitting nowhere near the bubble checking it down to eliminate a player is not standard practice, but betting into a sidepot with 3 high is not wise either. If you have a huge stack and your on the bubble it doesn't really matter to you if someone is eliminated or not and you'd rather give yourself the best chance of winning the pot. You may even prefer to keep it from reaching the bubble if you're on a weak table and can keep stealing blinds during this time.
I think too much is made of it at times, basically its pretty obvious when it should be checked out and at any other time anything goes. Title: Re: Betting Into Dead Pots Post by: Royal Flush on August 25, 2006, 01:41:56 AM If i think i am ahead i will bet, unless i am trapping.
Title: Re: Betting Into Dead Pots Post by: tikay on August 25, 2006, 01:45:34 AM Hi P-Boy,
We have a "Hand Analysis Board" on the Forum - I think you'd benefit greatly from taking a gander in there. If I knew how to link to it, I would, but the link button on my keyboard has gone awol. Can someone guide our new friend to the Hand Analysis board please? Title: Re: Betting Into Dead Pots Post by: tikay on August 25, 2006, 01:46:54 AM Hi All My first "new post", so forgive me if it is in the wrong place or has been covered a million times. Was playing Poker this evening.. Mid stages of an MTT - Short stack went all in, 2nd guy called, 3rd guy on the BB also called. Flop came 779. BB checked, other guy went all in for just over the pot. Other guy thought and thought, before laying down, what he said was K9. The raiser had something like J9. As it turned out, the J9 won the pot and the guy went out of the tourney. The chat box started talking about when you should and when you shouldn't bet into a dead pot. The guy who bet said that he thought his hand was best at the time and did not want to be outdrawn. The other guy pointed out that in general it is accepted etiquette to check it down so as to try and limit the opportunities of the all in guy to catch a card. In general, I believe it best to check the guy down and take him out. I have often checked, been bet at and then taken 2 out. But when should you bet into a dead pot - should you ever bet into a dead pot - should you just play the hand and ignore the dead pot? I would be interested in your thoughts... Cheers Posh. PS - This is the first site I have used with spell check - LOVE IT! AND we have an EDIT Button (called "MODIFY"). I know you are not used to that! Title: Re: Betting Into Dead Pots Post by: Longy on August 25, 2006, 02:11:40 AM I think betting into dead pot to protect your hand is fine and accepted play especially in the mid stages of an MTT nowhere near the bubble which is a bit different. Getting the all in player out of the tournament is not the priority here, winning the pot is IMO.
It can be taken too far i get criticised in the chat box of an STT earlier for doing this, i think this etiquette has been misunderstood by many lesser poker players. POKERSTARS GAME #6035663965: TOURNAMENT #30576055, $20+$2 HOLD'EM NO LIMIT - LEVEL VI (100/200) - 2006/08/24 - 15:33:05 (ET) Table '30576055 1' 9-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: lxa656 (2175 in chips) Seat 3: GIJoe33 (485 in chips) Seat 6: SofaKingDumb (3750 in chips) Seat 7: silenthill76 (1405 in chips) Seat 8: i jp A (4055 in chips) Seat 9: Longy11 (1630 in chips) i jp A: posts small blind 100 Longy11: posts big blind 200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Longy11 [Kh Kd] lxa656: folds GIJoe33: raises 285 to 485 and is all-in SofaKingDumb: calls 485 silenthill76: calls 485 i jp A: folds Longy11: raises 1145 to 1630 and is all-in SofaKingDumb: folds silenthill76: folds *** FLOP *** [5d 9c 2c] *** TURN *** [5d 9c 2c] [6s] *** RIVER *** [5d 9c 2c 6s] [Th] *** SHOW DOWN *** Longy11: shows [Kh Kd] (a pair of Kings) GIJoe33: shows [7c As] (high card Ace) Longy11 collected 2040 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 2040 | Rake 0 Board [5d 9c 2c 6s Th] Seat 1: lxa656 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: GIJoe33 showed [7c As] and lost with high card Ace Seat 6: SofaKingDumb folded before Flop Seat 7: silenthill76 (button) folded before Flop Seat 8: i jp A (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 9: Longy11 (big blind) showed [Kh Kd] and won (2040) with a pair of Kings The all in man commented that i should have flatcalled preflop as me isolating him, gave him chance to stay alive! I mean like i want to play kk 4 way here with my stack. Title: Re: Betting Into Dead Pots Post by: TightEnd on August 25, 2006, 11:55:04 AM http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?board=24.0
thats the link to the Hand Analysis board Posh, you'll enjoy it on there I hope |