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Ok so this happened last night in a freezout tournament in Motherwell some of the details are slightly sketchy just to forewarn you in advance.

The blinds are 50 and 100 from the intial stack of 5000 I have moved up to around 7800, the villian for the hand starts on 3500.

Ok so im big blind and look down to see  Aspades  Js  when it comes to my turn I have 3 limpers(one from UTG and the other two CO and button) plus the small blind. The pot is at 500 and I decide to raise and make it 500 more to play.

The only caller is the player from UTG, no real read on the player I played only one hand previously with him.

The flop comes,  Qc  7d and a low blank (sorry for sketchy detail)


I bet out 600 at this stage I have no real idea what hand to put him on although a medium pair seems likely he previously re-raised preflop with jacks so I cant see him playing a big hand so passively from early position. And he makes the call this obviously worrys me and I have to put myself behind.

The turn is the  Jc.

Its from here im not sure of my play, I check and he moves in for 2450.

Im stumped here as I have no idea what hand to put him on he may smell weakness in my check and move in with a club draw, he may do the same with a small pair. Although the most likely holding is a queen im not convinced.

Would anyone call here? If so what would be there thinking?

For those intersted I eventually made the call thinking im ahead in a large amount of cases here, villian shows J 7 for two pair and the river is no help and he takes the pot.

So thoughts on the hand I just wasnt sure both about my play and obviously I cant see any reason the villian is even in the hand at all.

Thanks.

thats rather tricky. the initial bet on the flop followed by the check on the turn gives away your weakness though. i'd say if i knew he was a decent player capable of making a move here i'd call and expect to be ahead. his play is rather confusing all round. calling the re-raise pre-flop with J7? you can't plan for that mate. it's alot to call but by now i think you'd have to. given the possibility of a bluff.

yeah..I'd much rather not have known the outcome of the hand as it interrupts whatever little thinking process I have when it comes to hand analysis but I can tell you I wouldn't have put him on J7 for his two pair. If I checked on the turn as weakness (which it is as you say you are OBVIOUSLY behind on the flop that's why you checked the turn) I might fold and just let it go...unless he would do that every time he smelled weakness and then i might be tempted to call if I thought he didn't have the queen.

Essentially if you think he didn't have the queen or KK or AA (granted which is unlikely without a raise from UTG) then I think it's a fair call when your Jack hits...however I would much rather have seen you raise 1.5k..then if he sticks his chips in you know you're probably behind and can fold....i don't like the check.

If you bet 1500 how are you going to pass for 950 more?

yeah my bad...I thought he had more....

anyways..my point..stick a fair raise in then if you get reraised just back off. if you stick in 800/1k he would bet 16 -14 I can let that go fairly easily.

I like your preflop raise although i tend to do this more when i have rags and people limp in middle to LP. I think on the flop you have to be the pot. That's 1500 but your weak flop bet after a preflop bet that doesn't look like it wants action smells dirty. I would have reraised you there and taken the pot from you (in fact his call here is awful because he is either giving you a free draw or calling when he is miles behind i.e. are you acting weak or are you weak).

As for his J-7, well you played the hand weakly so i think you have to call but you really don't know where you are.

Thanks for the feedback, I agree I played the hand badly especially the turn looking back on it I can see that the flop bet shows no strength its almost as if im begging to be raised off the hand.

dont think about your play too much...he's just a dumb calling a pot size raise preflop with J7... :D