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does anyone know about an alleged programme that enables user to see other players hole cards & if it is areality are the sites able to detect its use or counteract it. i feel i cant play online until im assured this isnt happening

Hi mate, I dont know about your hole cards, but I think some people have a 'what,s coming next' o meter

How else can you call an all in bet with AQ against a man holding QQ when the flop is JJ8

I do have a programme which allows me to see what other blondites are wearing

PS, I love those pyjamas

I KNEW THERE WAS A REASON WHY I ALWAYS LOSE!!!  ;D

And stop stalking Blondites, RED.  :-\

RED-DOG

I take it you had the QQ and the ace hit

err no.
there are programs called "bots" which can play the game for you but they work purely on mathematical odds and probabilities using the information provided.
sites only send information to a persons computer regarding THEIR hand ONLY so you cannot possibly find out about other folks hole cards, you would need to hack into the site software posing as every other player at the table and request the info, but then in order to that you would need to know their login details but then you can't be logged in twice so even that wouldn't work.
ok i confused myself again ???
Ian

AARRGGGHH Dewi knows my hole cards!!!!!!!

RED-DOG ...You sound bitter, did an Ace come then?

Basin.. I know of two programmes, one can see one other persons cards and the other where you can see the whole table. I don't know much about them but I know online sites have good collussion departments. If you have access to poker europa Nic wrote an article about it on the second page of last months.

ahh, you see the program itself cannot discover other players hole cards, it can share your hole cards with others linked into a network.
much the same as if you are on the phone to a mate on the same table (or MSN) but anti collusion teams are incredibly sofisticated in this area and you will not get away with it.

Well The Nun has just signed in, and my 'what blondites are wearing' programme is detecting very little

Ian, there is a programme that all cards are shown to avoid collussion used by online site monitors. Therefore it makes sense that there is a programme out there, and if it is out there it can be accessed by anyone determined enough. Then sold to a consortium of players. These programmes have been around for 3 years.

there is indeed but you see they cannot log into a network undetected, online sites are not gonna let folks see other's hole cards.
also it cannot be done remotely, there is a member on here who is involved with anti-collusion (or knows everything about it) maybe he can put you mind at ease.

If you think you are being cheated, report it to the site, or don't play there. You are more likely to be cheated in a B+M casino than online IMHO

I believe I know the member in question, but I don't know what his name is on here. I would not stop playing due to this anyway, as the stakes I play for are not relatively large, so IMO not worth the time or effort to bother.
Banks, casino's , security vans etc. are all suppossed to be safe, but if the money is big enough in any situation there is always someone who thinks they can get it easier than earning it or winning it without loss, and there is always a way. When sites find one way they combat it, but whilst they are doing this another plan is being hatched. The original poster asked whether there were programmes to see other peoples cards, and the answer is yes.

Sometimes you wonder, last night i made a big all in move against the chip leader to a raise when i was pretty sure he had nothing. He calls me with J8o giving him nothing against my top pair top kicker AQ. If i won it would cripple him. Turn 8 river 8.

Everyone at the table is amazed and asking how he can call. He says absolutely nothing.

You know, it is possible that these players are just clueless fish.

Surely that means he CAN'T see your hole cards

Or he can see my hole cards but he knows whats coming on the turn and river.

I just can't see how he can call with 15 players left and good chip lead. He has got this far so he can't be stupid.

but if the site uses a random number generator then the site itself doesn't know what cards are coming next

Depends what the board was. We know it was Qxx, what were the other 2 cards? Maybe he had a draw. Anyway I welcome players calling me when theyre a dog. Hurts when they hit but thats poker!

I'm a dog

I  studied internet security witin my degree last year and I posed this exact question. The lecturer himself plays online poker. there is a consortium (can't remember the name) that regulates poker sites etc. There is deffinately one for the united kingdom and united states which makes sites such as will hill and paradise poker safe. Random number generators are just that random, so not even the site itself can determine what is coming next. It's exactly like  dealing in real life without the possiblity of seeing the bottom of the card etc. The only question this leaves me with is can a site override the deal and deal it's own cards out. Why would this aid the site? I wandered this too, perhaps to keep players that are losing regulary playing in order to keep taking money from them.. i.e give them a winning river. I  can't imagine sites such as will hill getting away from this. I will say there is no way a player sitting away from the will hill servers can access it and see what is coming next, could they access it and instead of seeing what is coming next give them self a card? I don't know.. will hill would see i.p numbers etc and know whom was doing it.. but the user would still be extremely good if he a)knew you could do it and b)did it.

Stoo , what you are talking about is determining the cards. This is not what I am implying. The fact is there are programmes whereby you can SEE everyones cards, giving you a great advantage! I am not implying that the cards are not random, hole cards OR flop! But if you could sit at a table knowing what all the cards that everybody is holding then it would make that game a farce.
e.g. The poker bowl or poker heaven have a time delay as not to give anybody an advantage. That time delay is manually entered, this doesn't change the fact that it is possible to see all hole cards.

sorry dik9, midst cricket/reading.

You would still need to be able to link to the poker sites  servers which in essense would require a hacker with enough skill to just take the money out without even playing. Any program capable of doing this would probably last ten minutes before the bods pick it up.

Whats the score? the missus watching bloody eastenders!

we require about 70 with 8 wickets.

going ok!

http://www.pocketfives.com/5AC54A09-22BF-4066-B55E-83D1546FC140.aspx

I'm sure most of you are aware of the programme that lets you see your opponents hole cards after showdown if your opponent mucks his hand.

how did i know you were going to come on with this?

nice one Simon, i was having trouble getting thru ;D

well not totally - computers can't actually generate random numbers, they are just forumulated from complex mathematical operations which are "seeded" (i.e. the complex mathematical sequence's start point), from the elapsed time in seconds from 1st Jan 1970 (which hence should always be changing). If you know the seed, and plug it in to the formula - normally called something like rand() - you always get the same sequence of numbers. Hence in geek-monkey school they're called pseudo-random numbers, because they ain't really random at all, just reaaaally hard to reproduce if you don't know what started them off.

Its damn near impossible to obtain any of that information anyhow. On top of this what you see on the screen in front of you when you play is a thin-client, i.e. the program running on your computer, that talks to the company's poker server, has hardly any information being sent to it - only your cards, and the betting. Everything else should be inaccessible to the outside world, and only known by the server itself. This is how the software would be written, and only someone who actually coded the thing in the first place would have any chances of putting back doors in. Its in the company's interest to make the thing as solid as possible - they make enough off the rakes anyhow to risk possible bankruptcy from legal action by its members if it ever turned out something was awry.

Given all of this (and the fact that a lot of peeps might not have understood diddly squit of the last 2 paragraphs) I can't see how it is possible at all to cheat, without access to a company's internal admin software (which would have to be lousily written) and an admin internal account registered with it. I mean, as with anything, its always possible, but the chances are bloody remote.

More chance of someone working for a poker company would be on the fiddle.

Understood the first two paragraphs, It was downhill from there though  :D

LOL  ;D

Saw this on another forum. http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-forums/viewtopic.php?t=24286.

If the pictures don't come out use the link



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I stated from the beginning that the random number generators were working correctly the whole time. But they do infact create the entire hand before the hand even starts. which means that information is available for someone who knows how to get it, which makes online poker a very dangerous place, and if even one person realizes that.. This thread, all the unnecessary flaming and ruined reputation was all worth while.. I will not play real money online anymore.
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You guys, do not get me wrong.

before tonight I was the first person to say there is no way people can cheat at online poker, it just isin't possible with all the encryption methods.

I witnessed it first hand, it can be done.. believe it or not. I felt that because I saw it, it was my responsibility to bring it to everyones attention. So use this as a warning if you continue to play ... just be careful and play with caution and at the first sign of fishy things, just get up.
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I recently purchased Pokerpal pro 5 online for 50 bucks to help me understand the pot odds live during my online games....


i think my software may be malfuctioning because it exposes at least one of the flop cards to me preflop.. here are some unedited screen shots to show you what i mean.

 

here in this picture on the top right of my screen right under the pot odds it shows that my hole cards are   but it also shows the  (which is the 3rd flop card) of course i was not suppose to know that.

 

 
 

here you can see that the  is really on the flop.
having this information also leads me to believe that the random number generators that decide the cards are all determined before the hand and that people who know their sh!t who also know this information would make it a lot easier to know the out come of the hand before the hand..

am i saying online poker is rigged...set up... shady? I don't know anymore.. but i cheated somehow and i didn't believe it could be done until now....and everyone on here is ignorant if they think it does not happen....what does this all mean, i have no idea.

hehehehe, send me £500 i'll tell you what comes next ::)