blonde poker forum

Please put me out of my misery.. jus how much more self-flagellation should I submit myself to after 2 days of shame attacks?

Situation is as follows:  Super Satellite MTT 1st & 2nd win $8000 package to Singapore.. 3rd downwards get zero..

Blinds 600/1200, Antes 250 (About to go up to next 15 min level of 800/1600 with 300 antes)

 X    24,670.50     FOLD
ME   21,512         Pocket Pair 55     ALL-IN!!!???!!!
 Y    20,299
SB   21,200
BB   40,318.50

After 7 1/2 hours getting this far (won satellite day before), my mind goes and I become fixated on the fact that according to Dan Harrington, I have an Effective M of only 4.2 and am therefore in the Red Zone (forgetting that so are 3 of my 4 rivals!).  Anyhow, I really don't want to make it a comfortable call for the chip leader in BB, so I push all-in, only to be called by the Small Blind who's got pocket queens and I'm out.

Just how diabolically bad was my play exactly or can anybody salvage any semblence of self-respect for me from the wreckage?

And more to the point, how would other people have played the fives?  Is the consensus that in these circs they should be binned?  I have subsequently calculated I would have had another 20 hands tops to make a move..

Your thoughts would be much appreciated!

I'd fold!

I'll reconsider when you finish the post!!!  :blonde:

sorry sheriff.. posted prematurely by accident

welcome to blonde


I think I'd bin them, its not too desperate yet and I'd push on the next round with the same hand

Still you were first to move so its not horrific, unlucky to find a monster behind you. Others aren'y going to be calling with anyuthing less than pocket pairs, AK at this stage

Welcome to Blonde - serious response now.

Regardless of the stacks sizes, pushing there is still a massive overbet.  If you do get called then you're at best going to be racing.

I'd either fold pre-flop or look at a smaller raise which doesn't commit you.  You still have room to do this and, given the stack sizes, other players will also need to make moves soon too.

I think you got caught up with the M's and missed the fact that you're not desperate yet.

Sheriff

Limp re-raise :d

Totally agree re gettin too hung up on M Sheriff.. jus finished readin Harrington's books! In the past, I'd have been relaxed about having 18 times the big blind..

I think binning them is the right play because I don't think I want to be risking any chips on a 7/1 shot at this stage..

Ta for thoughts

Raise to 3400

no

don't like the 3400 raise bazza because BB would virtually have had a compulsory call needing to put only 2200 into a 4750 pot and then what?  might feel obliged to make a continuation bet of around 4000 and if that don't work, I've lost a third of my stack...

ok here's what I would do.

your aim is to get second and you still have enough chips for a while...forget M and all that harrington bollox (no offense harrington readers but M is complete and utter nonsense..it is a fable that is being fed to you by a guy who wants your cash. Sure it might be a good book but M scares more people then it does anyone any good so leave it alone...burn the book...it is over rated...get supersystem!!!). As long as you are comfortable with the amount of chips you have you are fine! (11x 5 handed with these antes is fine by me)

I do one of two things

1; I chuck them..who cares about pocket fives...I would much rather have AK in this situation (just to make me feel more comfortable no other reason then that)

2 (and my preferred play) limp in. I hardly ever raise with small PP's (unless HU) I completely fail to see the point of raising with them. AQ calls you and you get to see a flop with 2 high cards on it and then what do you do.

Small PP's are for limping in with and hoping you hit the flop (or atleast your oppo doesn't)

If you limp in here and miss the flop the opponent doesn't feel he needs to bet the pot because he has nothing invested in it ...he doesn't have to defend any raises he called. That way if he misses it he can check it (especially this close to the prizes) and get out if you bet it. If you raise it you are almost always going to see an overcard on the board and he can bet out (or feels he needs to because he's defending something)

If you do hit the flop all you have to do is hope he has hit it to (unless he has a higher set then you of course) and get paid off. that is what small pp's are for when there's more then 4 players at the table and you're not in chip trouble.


Just my two pence of course.

hoping for a 7:1 shot with money this shallow seems a little optimistic to me, also what if BB decides to punish your limp and instead of checking and seeing a flop makes it 9000 to go?

ok..then it comes down on what you think of BB. has he made this play on his own bb before? is he a habitual raiser, especially when on BB?? all that stuff. remember you have 20x the bb before limping (so 19 after) if you want to let go you can let go. I have no problem with that..if I limp in I hope to see a cheap flop, if I can't see a cheap flop I fold. (ofcourse when the BB is a habitual raiser from his BB you fold them instead of limping in as you know your pocket pair will cost you 9k)

 ;booboo;

In my mind i thinking i only had 10BB to start  :blonde:

note to self

Read the frickin post properly

thanks for ur thoughts Boldie..

quite liked Harrington books personally but take your point re 'Effective M' as has twice resulted in me screwing up at the business end of big tourneys..

think the fold is my play in this situation next time..

Gonna agree with bazzaboy on this one the raise to 3400 would be my standard play here too. You are one off the button with a good hand in position. Remember everyone will be playing very tight and playing quite obvious so my plan would be to fold to any aggression from my opponents after they called my preflop raise. 3 of your 5 opponents have roughly the same amount of chips as you so be the aggressor and take chances with these hands, those chances more than likely got you there in the first place don't spoil it now by playing like a pussy (sorry for the use of this term just fell that it's appropriate here) ;D playing too tight in these scenerios is the single biggest mistake for a poker player IMO don't let that player be you.