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Ok so im pretty inexperienced in general and have only started recently playing live a few times a week so opinions on this would be excellent especially (constuctive  :D) critiscm.

Ok so its at Cinncinnattis, third level blinds are 75/150. My stack is 5650 not moved much from the orginal chip count of 5000, and the opponent (who may post on here) has around 12,000 and has been at my table since the start, in which time I think I have played 3 hands not showing down any so I should have a tight image.

9 handed on the button im dealt  Aspades Qh.

There are 3 callers when it reaches me one in UTG +1 the player immeadiately to his left and the C/o.

I raise making it an addtional 300 chips to play. Good bad play?

The early limper folds the seond calls and the C/O folds so its headsup to the flop which comes.

 2c 3d 8c, the first position player bets out 1000.

Now heres where I think I start making the real mistakes obviously I have no hand at the minute just two overs- but I feel he is weak its just instinct but I feel he cant call a raise. So I raise an additional 1500 chips.

He makes the call to see the turn  Kc

He checks, now I have put a lot of my stack into the pot but I still feel he is weak and I think he is folding here so I move all in, for 2650, which granted isnt a great dent into this pot.

The opponent thinks for a minute and says I have to call.........

So what did I do wrong, did I do anything right? And what do you put the opponent on?

Ill post the result later if it will help.

If you are going to raise preflop, I would raise more... to 800.

By betting into you on the flop, he is representing strength. I would have folded.

If you are certain you don't believe him, again I would raise more than you actually did.  Treble/quadruple his bet, or in this case, go all-in (because there is no point raising to 3500 and leaving 500 behind).  Apply some real pressure.

Does he have two badly-played black tens?

Flush draw?

I think your pre-flop raise is fine. You want a caller and should be happy one of the limpers wants to play against your AQ which is probably the best hand before the flop. Your tight image has probably caused the other two limpers to fold so raising to 450 total is absolutely fine. Much more and you probably would not of got any action.

As for your opponents hand - I am pretty sure he has the ace of clubs. His kicker may well of paired the board so I am thinking A2, A3 or A8 is his likely holding giving him a lot of outs if you are ahead (which you are not!) It could even be A4 or some other rag which you are ahead of. A9-AQ is not out of the question either and the fact you are representing an overpair is causing him some worry. Another possibility is that he has two clubs and thinks you may have the nut flush on the turn. He could also be holding AK and no clubs or some kind of King and no clubs (K8 ?) which makes it a difficult decision for him to call. I can't see him holding anything else but look forward to finding out if I am wrong!

Calling a large raise with ace high was quite a brave thing to do. Maybe you are ahead at that point though. Once you decided he had nothing and re-raised on the flop you have pretty much committed your entire stack to the pot - you would of been better putting it all in there and then though and made your opponent make a more difficult decision. That would be my only criticism of how you played this hand. When you re-raise another 1500 the pot is about 4500 and it is another 1500 for him to go. On the turn it is 2500 for him to call with 8500 in the pot. So the pot is offering him 3-1 on the flop and 3.5-1 on the turn. If you push on the flop then he has to call a re-raise of 4000 for a pot of 7000.

After the turn card helps him - he can afford to take the chance to draw to the nut flush or hit one of his overcards. He may even have a made hand on the flop or turn. After investing so much into the pot by the turn he is calling. On the turn you are defo sticking the rest of your stack in - but your opponent is calling it.

dn

I am guessing he wishes he folded too ;-)


I agree with you. I thought about TT and can imagine it could be that. I think he would of pushed himself with JJ+. He may of been more tentative with TT or even 99. I'd be surprised if he didn't have the ace of clubs though.

dn

Is it possible he called the initial raise with 2/3 and thinks his 2 pair are good on the flop hence the check on the turn when it gives you a possible flush.

Other possibilities are that he has called initial raise with suited connectors maybe Tc 7c and he wants to either take the pot on the flop with the 1k bet or hopes it slows you down and you flat call instead of re-raising and you give him another opportunity to hit that other club, thea re-raie of 1.5k IMO is not enough.

The comment on the turn that he has to call to be again shows he has two weak clubs.  Maye not as high as my initial line of thought of 10 7.


Do you know who the player was?

Thanks for the feedback.

Thinking about it I wish I had pushed on the flop, I did feel that he was weak and if im going to make a play like that I have to put the proper amount of pressure on the opponent. Still experementing with live play I was trying to raise an amount that represented a big pair which is certainly feasible holding for me at this point I feel and to risk the minimum amount, obviously now this isnt the best line when I leave myself with so little.

Anyway opponent showed pocket 6s with the river a blank they held up for the pot.

I discounted 66 because I didn't believe he would call the re-raise on the flop with pocket sixes! In his defence he did have the best hand and has probably read you for having two high cards and a possible flush draw. It was a good flop for 66 and him calling your re-raise showed strength.

If he is calling the re-raise on the flop with pocket sixes, he may well of called your all-in reading you for something like AT+ and a flush draw. This is going to sound pretty obvious but you were behind and your best play here was to fold after your AQ missed the flop and your opponent with the better hand raised the pot.

dn

you don't want a call when you raise with AQ pre flop

Take the limpers and the blinds out of it and raise to about 700-800. If they have a monster you'll soon hear about it pre flop and you can get away easily

Many would then fold 66 pre flop to this raise. If not and it's checked to you post flop, put a proper bet in saying "I am committed"

Put the guy who limps and calls a reraise pre flop to the test

With 3 limpers before me i like limping with AQ/AK from titme to time.

If I hit my flop I will usually won't be given credit for holiding these hands and if i miss the flop I can let the hand go.  If I decide to raise with those hands i want one caller maximum and depending on the player I will proceed accordingly.


and if you are still called it usually means that you might be behind and let the hand go.

This is news to me. We don't ever want called by AK, AA, KK and QQ but it is looking pretty unlikely that any of these hands are out. Granted we don't really want any pocket pair calling but we don't mind AJ, QJ, KQ sticking around. Personally I would of raised more aswell but I would be happy with the end result of having one limper call who I have position on.

I understand what you are saying though. As for this hand, with hindsight I am thinking that if your opponent was weak then the correct way to play it would of been to flat call the raise on the flop. When you hit or a scare card like the Kc comes on the turn and it is checked to you, you bet 3/4 pot and your opponent folds. I think he is calliing an all-in bet on the flop. The re-raise of 1500 was definitely the wrong play though. Fold, Call or put it all in would all of been better moves.

dn

I want my raise with AQ to get people to fold, not to keep them in

Preflop - pretty standard
Flop - With your stack I pass. 

 ;iagree;

If i have position i want them in.

shallow stacks and with a likelihood of missing the flop and having to fire and bleed chips, I'll take it pre flop thanks very much

 ;nana;

Wuss.

Surely the problem isn't so much about the cards but about the fact that you have 3 limpers and you are giving the first one 1-4 on the pot.

Wonderhorse, you have to consider the size of the pot when you raise. Before you enter the pot is 725, you raise it up and offer everyone 300-1175. I'm surprised that everyone didn't call. Personally i would have made it 750 to go preflop and pushed on that raggety flop.

MrsLime has a good point, usually he is representing strength by betting into you here but your preflop raise was weak and you were on the button so i would have bet into you here.

Oh yeah forgot to say i would make it 750 pre aswell, hope for 1 caller :D

Yeah the raise is weak pre-flop and im lucky that I didnt end up in a multiway pot, I should have spent more time thinking about what amount to raise in order not to price weaker hands in- a large enough raise may get the guy to lay down his sixes at this point.

Anyway its all about expierience I guess I just hate to go out after playing a hand in this fashion was very annoyed on the journey home!