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Alrighty, I have been messing about with Omagh Hi/Lo and played this hand tonight. Now, I know my starting hand is not the best but this table seems to be very loose with folk getting all their chips in with very little. A lot of the guys try to bully you out of the pot and seem to represent AA23 all the time. I didn't play many hands but when I did and made my hand I was getting paid off.

I am in position and see this hand Kc Qs 6c Aspades as having a good chance to take the high heads up with an outside chance of also taking the low.

The call on the flop is a little loose aswell but once I hit the turn I think my opponents is just trying to put me off my hand.

Game #3451295744: Omaha H/L PL (€0.50/€1) - 2006/09/21 - 02:18:36 (UK)
Table "Cartagena" Seat 7 is the button.
Seat 4: (€180.62 in chips)
Seat 6: (€94 in chips)
Seat 7: Hero (€107.75 in chips)
Seat 8: (€99.25 in chips)
Seat 9: sits out
Seat 10: (€142.14 in chips)
SB: posts small blind €0.50
BB: posts big blind €1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to Hero [Kc Qs 6c Aspades]
Seat 4: folds
Seat 6: raises to €3.50
Seat 7: calls €3.50
Seat 10: folds
SB: folds
----- FLOP ----- [Jc 2d 5h]
Seat 6: bets €8.50
Hero: calls €8.50
----- TURN ----- [Jc 2d 5h][Kh]
Seat 6: bets €25.50
Hero: calls €25.50
----- RIVER ----- [Jc 2d 5h Kh][Ks]
Seat 6: bets €56.50 and is all-in

Hero ? What do you think villain has ? By this stage I think he may of had something like like AA34 and I have sucked out on him badly. The reason I called pre-flop and flop was because I have a hand and don't believe my opponent. If I miss the turn I am folding but I hit so call and then believe I have my opponent by the nuts after the river. There is no flush or low possible. There is a very slight possibility he is holding KJ but not enough that I am not calling. A couple of guys at the table who seem to play similarly and who I had been beating thought my play was fishy here. I am not sure it is.

Any comments on how I have played this hand would be appreciated.

dn

Preflop, i think it's fine to play a hand like this in strong position with strong high possibilities. (top 3 broadway, 2 fds, one nut)

Forget the A6 for low aspect of your hand, it sucks. This will so rarely factor into how you play the hand it's almost useless. You are playing this hand to hit a nice high flop such as wrap, nut flush draw,  2pair, trips, str8 etc. 

Flop. I think this is a bad call. No 1 there's no doubt the flop has come badly for you. 2 low cards when you're looking for a high flop. Your only draws are backdoor ones. If he bet smallish, like in the region of a min bet, I might be inclined to take a card and try and hit a favourable turn card such as a HIGH club, or a T, Q or K. He doesn't, he bets pot. I would fold here.

Turn. Ok so you've hit a K on the turn. Are you good? To be honest you don't know. You're making a bit of a stab in the dark now by calling. Your call on the flop has left you in this predicament. This is player dependent but in most cases you will be behind here, possibly to a set or 2 pair. If your pair of kings are ahead you can still be in not great shape for example vs a low wrap and fd, pair and lnut low draw + fd etc.

Not to mention that he could just have the nut low + a pair or something and when he hits, he can pump his big 2 way hands on the river the same as just the nut low, so you'll effectively be calling off all your chips in the dark with possibly just top pair. I'd say this is usually a fold too if you find yourself in this position.

You do of course have a tiny draw to the nuts. You never know!

You had him on AA34. Here's your equity vs this hand calling a pot size bet on the turn.

As Qs  Kc  6c         0.175
Ac 4d  Ah  3h         0.825


River? Insta - call. You've come too far to be folding the nut trips now so call immediately and hope you're good!

I can't quite see why you would call the flop, seems like you get into trouble more often then you win any money.. but I don't play a lot of o8 so it might be a reasonable call.. I see you say you "have a hand".. but a A6 low draw and no immediate high doesn't seem like a good hand to me... same goes with the turn, you have one pair for high and a pretty weak low draw, I don't think i'd call the turn either. I'd call the river though

Why are you in such a rush to donk off your whole stack... is the building on fire?

That sounds like a pretty fair assessment. My OPP held A347 as it happened. On the flop I felt he had A2xx and had been counterfeited and was trying to get me out of the hand. I had seen several guys at this table do this before and had profited already from them raising pre-flop and then raising the pot on the flop even though it was all high cards giving me the nut flush draw. This is why I called the flop here but I was worried it was a bad call.

On the turn I figure he is hoping for a low card to come and that I still have a good chance of scooping the pot.

When he goes all in on the river I think his hand may of been stronger than I thought and that he was shoving all his chips in with AAxx regardless. I had my trips though so it was an easy call.

I think he played his hand terribly. It is always going to be suspicious if players are constantly raising the pot every single time and I got lucky here but these guys need to realise a draw to the nuts isn't actually the nuts. They still raise the pot when they miss their draw! It amazes me how easy it is to profit playing o8. I can't think of another version of poker where your opponents keep paying you every time you make a big hand.

I know I played the hand very loosely but I still feel I was right here as I was ahead all the way and would of been able to get away from my hand quite easily on the turn or river...............then doubled up again the next time I have a hand and my opponent keeps blindly raising the pot with nothing...

dn

excellent post.. please make sure you impart more of your wisdom in the future.

Ok, technically you are ahead on the flop, but you are actually big dog at this point.

If the table is so crazy, and you even say yourself that you are getting paid on your good hands, then I don't understand why you mix it up with such a marginal hand? You could have been drawing dead all the way [apart from a Ten].

But, I do agree that PLO8 can be a profitable game, and certainly at the moment I find it more interesting than Hold'em. I find it quite low variance as well, but if the above hand is typical of your style of play then you might not agree!

This isn't a good example. I have been doing well with STTs by playing pretty sensibly. I normally look to play A23x suited as most people do but in this cash game the guys at this table seemed to try and jam the pot everytime they have a low hand. I started to figure that it would be worth going along for the ride with hands like AK45 suited and A347 knowing that the implied odds of calling their big raises pre-flop are huge and that I am pretty much 50-50 anyway.

Another example is one of the guys re-raises another the pot with 11BB pre-flop. When the flop comes 9c 6c 6d - he held - 2d Ad 2c 3s. I had Ac Kc 4c 5h and called his ridiculous bet of 44BBs on the flop very quickly and soon doubled up. They did this when they had nothing. If they have a hand on the flop then they don't make such huge overbets.

I agree it is an interesting game but I hope I am correct in saying that huge bets like these out of position with nothing but a good starting hand is astonishingly bad play.

Sounds like a good game full of muppets, present company excluded!.  What site is it?  Maybe I will pop along and make a donation.

Crypto. I can't say everyone plays that terribly but there were more than a few that played the way I have described. I am not sure if it is like that all the time but it was last night. I managed to increase my stack by over 100% in less than hour. If it is like that all the time then I will playing less texas.

On a different note, anyone tried playing Hold'em Blackjack yet ?

dn