blonde poker forum

thx for advice last time - i have another question
playing with 25 on 3, 8 seaters
initial intention to get to 2 tables- either 9 handed or 8 , anyway we are down to 16 (5,5,and 6) the table to collapse has been pre termined as its the one in the way of bar/toilets, so how do i move the 5 players on it and to where , obviously 3 to the 5 seater and 2 to the 6 but what next , when put on spot last night just made all the 16 re draw for the two - but as we do this for the final table as well, it does take up some time - people moving chips etc , and time is precious
how do i decide who moves to what table (draw i assume ) but more importantly where do i seat them - if they have just been bb is it fair if they replace a man knocked out utg on the other table - thus becoming bb again - etc etc etc , i arent going through all the pitfall scenarios as i am sure you can imagine them
official position if poss (yogi etc) or general good advice would be much appreciated

card face up to the 5, then in highest ranking card move them each into the next available seat after the bb on whichever table.
there is no truly fair way of doing it really.
"i know it" says to move peeps into the same seat that they are coming from, relative to button..i.e.button moves to button etc.

May or may not be the best way, but the way my local casino does it seems fair. They have plastic tickets for each seat. When a table is to be broken up, you deal one card face up to each player, then deal out shuffled empty seat tickets from the highest card.

You could try the 'point and run' approach a la Gala, Notts.

The cardroom manager points to your new table, and you... RUN!

Although I always thought that was an unfair method. - fastest always get the best seats.

Or least chips ;D

I was moved to a table a while ago and there were two seats for me to choose from one would be posting the BB next hand, the other was two to the right, positioned between two big aggressive stacks who were clashing in a big pot as I arrived and giving it loads of posturing and chat. I chose to post BB 1st hand, and have that battle to my right, rather that wait 9 hands for the BB but be trapped in the middle of this raising war. I was looked at like an idiot by some for choosing the seat I did. :D

so let me get this straight normally in a comp in notts if my table was breaking i would always end up in the worse seat as everyone would be rushing to get the best seats

now what i would expect from a proffessional casino is that when a player breaks the dealer gives the seat/table card to the floorman when the floor man has 10 cards (if playing ten handed) he places them (minus any cards he has for the table he is breaking) face down on the breaking table each player then picks a card and makes his way to that seat its simple no one can get lost as long as the tables are clearly marked. when balancing 2 tables 1 with 8 and the other with 10 you simple lift the next BB on the 10 and seat him in the nearest seat to the bb on the other table

i dont see where the problem lies and no one gets any advantage

Gala Riverboat in Glasgow also uses the "Paint by numbers"... Every table is marked with seat numbers...

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Maybe thats one of the reasons I prefer Riverboat to any other cardroom Ive played in... although the chips are shite. I prefered the old Stakis chips, nice proper weighted chip.

any poker player knows the best seat is on the button

yes eventually the bb will catch you but if you are 6 seats away from the bb then you have advantage over the guy moving into UTG because your in later postion you have more time to wait for a hand to double up with player UTG posts the blinds gets to the button finds a double up hand but only doubles up minus the blinds he has posted wheras the player moved 6 seats away from bb finds his hand to double up with before blinds hit him and he gets a full double up

the cards dont matter in a tourny its postion

so basically the answer to my question is in notts i would be at a disadvantage

so you deal cards which assign people to a table

why dont you just make it simple and deal cards which tell people table and seat

a PC with printer a cheap piece of card and a lamanting machine would solve the problem takes 3 minutes to make and will last forever (or long enough that makes no difference)

Which is exactly what I've been saying if you read my posts :) Its what Gala Riverboat do... and they claim thats standard Gala procedure... tee hee "standard" hmm whats that...

mikky i know it is, it what 75% of the casino i have played in do

But Notts NEEDS to be different. Maybe they think they are special...

Scenrio - Experienced Gala player and Beginner break tables. Experienced player is low on chips. The button seat is free and so is the under the gun seat. The expereinced player will, more often than not, head towards the button seat and the beginner will be forced to sit in the seat under the gun.

If the above has changed since I was a regular, then please feel free to say so. This happened to me on the Saturday rebuy when someone nipped round the back of me to take the small blind seat. I was left with one of the chip leaders, Ali, sat to my left. This made my job even harder. My seat wasn't chosen for me. It was first come first serve. How can Ironside adhere to that policy?

It's simply unfair.

Can you see some of those certain regulars (will remain nameless) saying to Ironside, 'I'm on a short stack, but why don't we toss a coin to see who takes the seat seeing that it's impossible for you to sprint over there be4 me.' - No chance. They'll be in that seat like a whippet.

How about highest card of the two players, going to a specific table, sits furthest away from the blind?

Finally, I would like to say that the Gala in Notts is the best casino I have ever played poker in. You won't find a better atmosphere anywhere else. No-where else will you find such an element of fun and enjoyment brought to the cardroom. However, if I was a beginner, I would start somewhere else and make my way up to the Gala after I have become more accustomed to playing in cardrooms.

ps. I don't want to fall out about this, Nighfly. I'm just expressing an opinion and I would never become personal over a matter of this nature. As I say all the time, you're the best cardroom manager the Gala has had for ages and I stand by that. So keep up the good work and please don't take any of my words as anything more than a point of view.

Quote taken from nightfly   BUT... before you imply that I do not know what I am doing perhaps you would like to have a go at balancing a Table properly. In theory it is easy.

Actually in reality it is also.
If you have designated seat cards for each seat, you simply collect them up as a player busts out.
So when you are ready to break down a table, you already have the so called empty seat tickets of the other tables, which you can hand out to all the players .  In this method no-one can say "what seat number did you say again " as they have it in their hand.

The fairest way of breaking an individual player from a top heavy table is to move the player from the same position of empty seat on the short handed table. i.e 2 positions from big blind , if thats where the empty seat is.

Simple really.

This is a good idea. Do they do this at Walsall these days?

nope but they should

NO,this is what I experienced in Vegas at the Orleans, but if I manage to get elected on the commitee
(hint  hint ) at walsall, i would suggest it

sorry Craig but i heard it was greeks only ;D

i heard it was poker players only

No, there is a begginers candidate and i like Kebabs, so next ?  please

That counts us all out then.  :-[

I have already said i'm not getting involved ;D

Nicely put snoopy. Nighfly IS the best, & so is Gala Notts.

I am fear that Nightfly has taken my comments personally too, which is a shame. We have bigged up Notts night & day, but there are a few little probs right now, & it's getting a bit "hot" because we have pointed therm out. Well, it's no pain, no gain in this life. Nobody has said anything deterimental towards Nightfly, not once. It's not his fault if he is given dodgy rules to work with. We have lobbied for change, in good heart and good spirit. If they can't take it on board, well, it's a sad day.

What are we supposed to say - that the "low stack moves" rule is right? Well it's not, & I won't. That the recent arguing & hoohah does not exist? No can do. That all the other Cardrooms that have developed & use the "card system" are wrong? Well thay aint.

I have given it large for Notts on the Net, in the Print Media, & on TV. A sad day when, after all that, constructive criticism is rejected out of hand, & a "curt" response comes back.

But I have to agree - who'd be a Cardroom Manager? Especially if you don't know who your friends are.

This is NOT a "gang up on Nightfly" thread. It's a "look, we have a 'lil prob here, let's sort it" thread.

Keep lobbying boys, & change will come.

I'm pretty sure I replied to this the other day. Guess it got lost in the move.

I'm with Ironside on the using of laminated cards with table and seat number.

Just throw them face down on table and let them fight over them.

Also means I know how many seats i got spare at any point in the competition and where they are without having to read my awful writing on a little card that I would lose several times a night.

Yogi

I've seen Yogi's cards - they are very nice!    :-X

I feel that I must say that diring the recent weeked two day tournament,
when tables were broken, the players were allocated seats, and presumably
that will be the format now. There was no mad scrambling for the best seat
as each player knew where he was supposed to sit.

This made a big difference to the tournament and is a very positive step.

The tournament was extremely well run and IMO was completely different class to the running
of any previous tournament that I have participated in at Nottingham Gala.
 
Nightfly's input cannot be over-emphasised and I'm sure any wrinkles will soon be sorted out.

Nice post Karabiner, & I think we all agree that the way the £300 was set up was much better.

Yogi - I am afraid several posts on this thread were "lost", but having seen them, maybe it's as well - things were getting a tad prickly.......

It was scramble time at Leeds last night in the £50 freezeout, I was well stacked & couldn't carry them so card room manager decided to colour up my chips whilst everyone else got to sit down & PLAY>>>>

Ok i will be the first person to ask for proof of you being  "well stacked"  ;)  ;D

Fancy Cochester being the first to ask that. I had him as a 2/9 shot.

confirmed colchester - sorry maureen :P