Title: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: M3boy on September 22, 2006, 01:37:22 AM [Sep 22 00:20:04] : Hand Start.
[Sep 22 00:20:04] : Seat 2 : pair_of_2s has $15,765 [Sep 22 00:20:04] : Seat 3 : TonyB has $6,840 [Sep 22 00:20:04] : Seat 4 : Blondem3boy has $9,895 [Sep 22 00:20:04] : Seat 6 : erez has $25,725 [Sep 22 00:20:04] : Seat 7 : bullypete has $14,200 [Sep 22 00:20:04] : Seat 8 : brett_ ho has $8,190 [Sep 22 00:20:04] : TonyB is the dealer. [Sep 22 00:20:04] : Blondem3boy posted small blind. [Sep 22 00:20:04] : erez posted big blind. [Sep 22 00:20:04] : Game [113] started with 6 players. [Sep 22 00:20:04] : Dealing Hole Cards. [Sep 22 00:20:04] : Seat 4 : Blondem3boy has 7s 7d [Sep 22 00:20:05] : Stakes: 400/800 Current level: 8 Level up in: 1 min. Break in: 16 min. Players : 11 [Sep 22 00:20:06] : bullypete folded. [Sep 22 00:20:10] : brett_ ho folded. [Sep 22 00:20:11] : pair_of_2s folded. [Sep 22 00:20:13] : TonyB folded. So its bubble time, 6 get paid . Av stack is around 13k Blinds about to go to 600 1200 Do you stick em all in with the 77? Knowing that the big stack (who has been aggressive) will call with any ace or any two high cards? Therefore giving you a slight advantage going to the flop to double up (assuming you havent ran into a higher PP) ?? Or do you fold, and attack the SB + BB (1800 total) on the next 3 hands? Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: Royal Flush on September 22, 2006, 01:43:03 AM I make it 4k to go.
I also wouldnt be worrying about the bubble untill you at least on the final. Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: Newmanseye on September 22, 2006, 01:45:54 AM In the small blind i would limp to the flop, lead at it but be ready to get away, you have plenty of chips to make the final
Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: M3boy on September 22, 2006, 01:47:58 AM OK, I take ur point about the bubble, I meant one to go till F/T - you cannot win unless u make it that far.
So u make it 4k to go - he sets u all in. Then what?? Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: Newmanseye on September 22, 2006, 01:49:26 AM OK, I take ur point about the bubble, I meant one to go till F/T - you cannot win unless u make it that far. So u make it 4k to go - he sets u all in. Then what?? if he sets you in you kid of have to call... ;goodvevil; Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: M3boy on September 22, 2006, 01:50:48 AM If thats the case - why not go all in preflop????
He is the type of player that will set u all in whatever you do Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: Royal Flush on September 22, 2006, 01:53:48 AM If thats the case - why not go all in preflop???? He is the type of player that will set u all in whatever you do Good then 77 vs any hand is 66% The advantage to the raise to 4k is the times he flat calls with something like KJ and passes if he misses the flop. Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: Newmanseye on September 22, 2006, 01:59:08 AM thats why i would have played it differently preflop, with a limp, if he's paying any attention he may be inclined to check it as it would possibly be out of character for you to limp given this blokes table image.
Another advantage to the limp doe the small blind is you get away from it cheap, if the flop come something like 8c 2h 5d, chances are your 7's are good enough to take down a small but important pot, its a bit passive, but at this stage I'd rather make my "move" on the FT than here. Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: M3boy on September 22, 2006, 01:59:32 AM Yep, I understand the 4k raise - was answering newmanseye, not you m8
Reason for asking is this - same tourney 2 nights running I have exited in 10th spot with the same (just under av stack) situation. mid PP in SB vs aggressive BB. - both times loosing alot of chips about 20 minutes prior Yesterday ran into AJ Today ran into AQ Now my opinion is that I want to win the damn thing - and am happy to take an advantage to the flop to double up - just wanted to make sure I am not slipping into bad habbits. Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: M3boy on September 22, 2006, 02:01:02 AM thats why i would have played it differently preflop, with a limp, if he's paying any attention he may be inclined to check it as it would possibly be out of character for you to limp given this blokes table image. Another advantage to the limp doe the small blind is you get away from it cheap, if the flop come something like 8c 2h 5d, chances are your 7's are good enough to take down a small but important pot, its a bit passive, but at this stage I'd rather make my "move" on the FT than here. I dont see him checking his BB - not in his nature with an Ace or two big cards Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: Royal Flush on September 22, 2006, 02:01:29 AM Yep, I understand the 4k raise - was answering newmanseye, not you m8 Reason for asking is this - same tourney 2 nights running I have exited in 10th spot with the same (just under av stack) situation. mid PP in SB vs aggressive BB. - both times loosing alot of chips about 20 minutes prior Yesterday ran into AJ Today ran into AQ Now my opinion is that I want to win the damn thing - and am happy to take an advantage to the flop to double up - just wanted to make sure I am not slipping into bad habbits. Just bad luck m8. I am having a cool week aswell, 26 comps played this week, 0 cashed :( Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: Newmanseye on September 22, 2006, 02:07:33 AM You make a great point Paul, I just find when i get to this stage most of the players have moved in to hyper aggressive mode and you may very well make the final by playing the 7's passivley rather than take a coin flip, its a lot of work to get within a ballhair of the finish line and fluff it on a 50/50 - 60/40.
Just my opinion of it, I think there are better spots to get your money in. Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: Royal Flush on September 22, 2006, 02:10:41 AM You make a great point Paul, I just find when i get to this stage most of the players have moved in to hyper aggressive mode and you may very well make the final by playing the 7's passivley rather than take a coin flip, its a lot of work to get within a ballhair of the finish line and fluff it on a 50/50 - 60/40. Just my opinion of it, I think there are better spots to get your money in. The comp pays 6, coming 9th 8th or 7th is just the same. Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: M3boy on September 22, 2006, 02:13:04 AM Also 1st pays $4k whereas 6th pays $400
Like i said, i wanna win it, or at least take a decent stack to the final so I can actually play some poker - not just "all in" mode Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: totalise on September 22, 2006, 02:14:02 AM its not like he is assured of getting called tho, you are speaking as though Paul has the option of either flipping for his stack of folding and waiting
Lets say the villain knows Pauls hand, and profitably calls with any 2 overcard combination, or any higher pocket pair.. theres 378 combinations he can get dealt, out of 1225.. so a mere 30% Paul gets called, even in this worst case "i know my opponents cards" scenario. Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: M3boy on September 22, 2006, 02:17:12 AM its not like he is assured of getting called tho, you are speaking as though Paul has the option of either flipping for his stack of folding and waiting Lets say the villain knows Pauls hand, and profitably calls with any 2 overcard combination, or any higher pocket pair.. theres 378 combinations he can get dealt, out of 1225.. so a mere 30% Paul gets called, even in this worst case "i know my opponents cards" scenario. Exactly. The hands he calls me with here are : 1) Overpair - and if he has this then so be it 2) Any Ace - probably even A7 and below 3) Any K with another paint card Anything less and he folds Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: Newmanseye on September 22, 2006, 02:25:27 AM All fair points, I see the 9.9K M3 has, could be put to better use in a later spot, I apreciate the win (1st) is on your mind however I see a cash as important also, it helps keep the wolves from the door and its a buy in for another comp.
you are probably well ahead preflop i would just go to war differently. Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: totalise on September 22, 2006, 02:35:46 AM Quote All fair points, I see the 9.9K M3 has, could be put to better use in a later spot true enough, but think of the better spots he can find if he doubles up to 20k! also if he wins the blinds (which he will with regularity) he then has a bigger stack to pad, he wins more chips if he doubles up, he gives himself a better chance of winning the competition. If your goal is to limp into the money so you can enter next weeks tourney and then try to limp into the money again, then folding is probably best, but I dont think that limping into the money should ever be a consideration in any tournament you buy directly into (I can appreciate it in big tournies where the money might be $5k or so which is huge to satellite winners) LImping into the money is a great way or maximizing your chances of not winning.. and that seems a bad way to play tournaments. Each to their own Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: Newmanseye on September 22, 2006, 02:47:20 AM Quote All fair points, I see the 9.9K M3 has, could be put to better use in a later spot true enough, but think of the better spots he can find if he doubles up to 20k! also if he wins the blinds (which he will with regularity) he then has a bigger stack to pad, he wins more chips if he doubles up, he gives himself a better chance of winning the competition. If your goal is to limp into the money so you can enter next weeks tourney and then try to limp into the money again, then folding is probably best, but I dont think that limping into the money should ever be a consideration in any tournament you buy directly into (I can appreciate it in big tournies where the money might be $5k or so which is huge to satellite winners) LImping into the money is a great way or maximizing your chances of not winning.. and that seems a bad way to play tournaments. Each to their own Great post mate and I agree, Bear in mind i have been playing this game slightly over a year, So limping in to the money then playing for the dough is what i seem to do. I agree that with 20K in chips the stack has more playability. I just find that online the players get hyper aggressive around the Ft and bubble which leads to an easier money if you go slighly passive. mind you i have not made a mtt final in ages, so who am I to talk :D ;tk; Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: Wardonkey on September 22, 2006, 02:51:47 AM I stick it in...
Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on September 22, 2006, 03:04:48 AM im with the donkey on this one
Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: tantrum on September 22, 2006, 12:13:15 PM All in.
Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: M3boy on September 22, 2006, 04:05:23 PM Tx Guys - was just checking.
After spinning £100 into a few £1000's I dont want to slip into bad habbits and blow it all again Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: totalise on September 22, 2006, 04:07:51 PM stick to tournaments and you will be fine!
Title: Re: Bubble Time - opinions Post by: M3boy on September 22, 2006, 06:57:51 PM stick to tournaments and you will be fine! Cant resist the hi lo cash games though - such bad players!!!! |