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Playing a wee cash game to pass the time as my MTT holdem tourney is giving me nowt to work with.

So I get this hand, and I am getting all sorts of abuse for beating the flopped nut straight, now am i not slighly ahead here?

Opinions please

Real Money Ring Game
Table Name Hand ID Game Stakes
Lily Creek Falls 10474711-28426 Omaha Hi/Lo Pot Limit $0.05/$0.10
[Sep 22 03:39:16] : Hand Start.
[Sep 22 03:39:16] : Seat 1 : outonalimb has $1.41
[Sep 22 03:39:16] : Seat 2 : reggae has $2.76
[Sep 22 03:39:16] : Seat 3 : FLAMINRED has $4.82
[Sep 22 03:39:16] : Seat 4 : Str8 VODKA has $9.05
[Sep 22 03:39:16] : Seat 5 : jackson172 has $7.12
[Sep 22 03:39:16] : Seat 6 : Joe Coool has $5.65
[Sep 22 03:39:16] : Seat 7 : loneoak has $7.62
[Sep 22 03:39:16] : Seat 8 : DocHolliday has $17.38
[Sep 22 03:39:16] : Seat 9 : newmanseye1 has $4.24
[Sep 22 03:39:16] : jackson172 is the dealer.
[Sep 22 03:39:16] : Joe Coool posted small blind.
[Sep 22 03:39:16] : loneoak posted big blind.
[Sep 22 03:39:19] : Str8 VODKA posted big blind.
[Sep 22 03:39:19] : Game [28426] started with 9 players.
[Sep 22 03:39:19] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Sep 22 03:39:19] : Seat 9 : newmanseye1 has 9s Jd 3d Ts
[Sep 22 03:39:21] : DocHolliday folded.
[Sep 22 03:39:41] : newmanseye1 called $0.10 and raised $0.20
[Sep 22 03:39:45] : outonalimb called $0.30
[Sep 22 03:39:45] : reggae called $0.30
[Sep 22 03:39:46] : FLAMINRED folded.
[Sep 22 03:39:48] : Str8 VODKA called $0.20
[Sep 22 03:39:54] : jackson172 called $0.30 and raised $0.80
[Sep 22 03:39:56] : Joe Coool called $1.05
[Sep 22 03:39:58] : loneoak folded.
[Sep 22 03:40:02] : newmanseye1 called $0.80
[Sep 22 03:40:04] : outonalimb called $0.80
[Sep 22 03:40:05] : reggae called $0.80
[Sep 22 03:40:09] : Str8 VODKA called $0.80
[Sep 22 03:40:09] : Dealing flop.
[Sep 22 03:40:09] : Board cards [8s 9c Js]
[Sep 22 03:40:13] : Joe Coool checked.
[Sep 22 03:40:19] : newmanseye1 bet $3.14 and is All-in
[Sep 22 03:40:26] : outonalimb called $0.31 and is All-in
[Sep 22 03:40:26] : reggae folded.
[Sep 22 03:40:30] : Str8 VODKA called $3.14 and raised $4.81 and is All-in
[Sep 22 03:40:33] : jackson172 folded.
[Sep 22 03:40:42] : Joe Coool folded.
[Sep 22 03:40:43] : Showdown!
[Sep 22 03:40:43] : Seat 9 : newmanseye1 has 9s Jd 3d Ts
[Sep 22 03:40:45] : Seat 1 : outonalimb has 5d Kd 2s 4c
[Sep 22 03:40:45] : Seat 4 : Str8 VODKA has Th 3s 6s 7s
[Sep 22 03:40:45] : Seat 9 : newmanseye1 has 9s Jd 3d Ts
[Sep 22 03:40:51] : Seat 4 : Str8 VODKA has Th 3s 6s 7s
[Sep 22 03:40:51] : Str8 VODKA has high hand : Straight JT987
[Sep 22 03:40:51] : Seat 9 : newmanseye1 has 9s Jd 3d Ts
[Sep 22 03:40:51] : newmanseye1 has high hand : Full House : Jacks full of 9s
[Sep 22 03:40:51] : newmanseye1 wins $5.38 with high hand : Full House : Jacks full of 9s
[Sep 22 03:40:51] : Seat 4 : Str8 VODKA has Th 3s 6s 7s
[Sep 22 03:40:51] : Str8 VODKA has Straight JT987
[Sep 22 03:40:51] : Seat 9 : newmanseye1 has 9s Jd 3d Ts
[Sep 22 03:40:51] : newmanseye1 has high hand : Full House : Jacks full of 9s
[Sep 22 03:40:51] : Seat 1 : outonalimb has 5d Kd 2s 4c
[Sep 22 03:40:51] : outonalimb has Pair: Jacks
[Sep 22 03:40:51] : newmanseye1 wins $7.25 with high hand : Full House : Jacks full of 9s
[Sep 22 03:41:03] : Str8 VODKA : nice catch fish
[Sep 22 03:41:04] : Hand is over.

 :D

I'd be pitching this rite off the bat, you have no low draw, the flush draws can get you into trouble, if you do make your straight the pot is gonna have a low out there a good % of the time, its not got a lot going for it

The money goes in on the flop though.  I would not have been in this deep preflop but can I reall pass with top 2 pair a straight draw and the straight flush draw? 

Preflop it could have been ditched thats true but this table has been a bit mental.

BTW I really want to know if the call on the flop was a bad call.

you didn't call on the flop, you shoved it in, but once you see this flop, you aren't folding given the money in the pot... so no, its not a bad play gettin your money in on this flop

True I just noticed that, I was busy throwing a party at the time having seen the flop, I found it strange why i was at the butt end of the abuse for getting my cash in with that.

Although against the other hands i was 40% to win preflop

The problem with hands like these Newman'seye is they have to work their nuts off to make the nuts.

When you make the nut straight there will nearly always be a low draw out there. You will also flop some 2nd best straights and flushes which will often lose you money.

You only have 3 cards working for you with the dangling 3. No low at all. 

All in all this is a bad hand in om/8 and I would be chucking it preflop.

9's are known as om/8 death cards as they are of so little use. While playing on party one time some people were discussing hand selection in om.8 and someone chimed in with "playing omaha hi lo hands with a 9 in them makes baby jesus cry" which made me laugh. It is often true though.


On the flop, you aren't going to fold of course as you hit the flop quite well.

Nice hand but I can understand why the guy called u a fish! I've played with him before though and he's abusive to everyone so dont worry.

Cheers Guys, I was sure I was favorite to win, I just found it strange that this bloke would not shut up about his second nut straight being out drawn, I've been called a fish many time's thats no problem, What I found insulting was the way he declared it a poor play.

Ach well i won thats whats important, cheers for the input guys.

You were ahead :

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=2090849
pokenum  -o8 9s jd 3d ts  - th 3s 6s 7s  -- 8s 9c js
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing Js 8s 9c
cards          scoop  HIwin  HIlos  HItie  LOwin  LOlos  LOtie     EV
Ts 9s  Jd  3d    370    443    299     78      0      0      0  0.532
7s 6s  3s  Th    299    299    443     78    224      0      0  0.468

All in on the flop - ok play by me.

What would concern me more is :

WHY are you even PLAYING that rubbish preflop LET ALONE RAISING!!!!

I'm a FISH thats why!!

All kidding aside I was getting a bit impatient as anytime I had a decent hand I was connecting with nothing and had to lay down my cards. I decided to play a loose hand and try to get lucky.

Its a shocking play preflop but it worked out in the end   :blonde:

Pre flop play aside the play isnt bad, you're pushing in 1st representing the straight, unfortunately you're getting 2 calls by guys with the straight.  You outdrew them but that always happens in Omaha anyway.  Dunno what outonalimb is doing.....looking for a runner runner low draw???????

I pushed because i was sure i was favorite to win the hand, When i saw the flop i got a tad excited!!

You're very rarely going to be ahead on that flop but you do have draws to beat anything your opponent could have, def justifies pushing IMO

When did you become a omaha hi/lo expert Boba been reading some books?  8)

I have actually, its possible to read a book and play some in the time since I last saw you  :P

It's difficult to comment due to the monies at the table, but I would say that your holding is not a pre-flop raising hand.