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** Game ID 584344215 starting - 2006-09-21 21:11:00
** 20 Hand Level  [Hold 'em] (50.00|100.00 No Limit - STT) Real Money

- BigTomatoes sitting in seat 1 with $1260.00 [Dealer]
- henrik-l sitting in seat 2 with $1665.00

BigTomatoes posted the small blind - $25.00
henrik-l posted the big blind - $50.00

** Dealing card to BigTomatoes:  7h,  7d
BigTomatoes raised - $300.00
henrik-l called - $300.00

** Dealing the flop:  6h,  8d,  5d
henrik-l bet - $200.00
BigTomatoes went all-in - $985.00
henrik-l called - $985.00
henrik-l shows:  Td,  9h

** Dealing the turn:  4h

** Dealing the river:  7s
henrik-l wins $2570.00 from the main pot

End of game 584344215

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 i admit this is a bad beat but im so angry about it I had to post it

 i think i played the hand well but the other guy played it like a donkey and hits a 2 outer on the river to beat me

 what do you think about my play and his play in this hand ?

How was it a 2 out?

It was a 5 outer BT. 22% to hit.

 
 it was a 5 outer when the chips went in - . i said it was a 2 outer on the river. % 4.6 to hit

 i hit my straight on the turn , he needed 1 of 2 sevens to make his straight.

Yes but it was a 5 outer when the money went in.

 apart from that , why is he calling 6bbs preflop with 9 10 off , betting out when hes missed and then calling my all in

 he cant expect to have 5 outs ! hes calling most of his stack away with a 9 10 off suit , and a gutshot draw.

He can expect to have 10.

Why raise to 6bb pre flop with any hand? HU is about flops.

The bet by him is perfect, i would put you on a big A and he has a good chance of taking the pot away, if not he still has 10 outs.

 if he doesnt take the pot away and i re raise all in , how can he still have 10 outs ? if he puts me on a stone cold bluff ?


 would you call the re raise all in on the turn on that basis ?

It looks on the HH like it went in on the flop, if its gone in on the turn then my bad.

 it did go all in on the flop , my bad

 that still doesnt justify the call with 10 high though

 would you call the re raise all in on the flop flushy ?

Well i wouldnt have played it that way but if i had, then yeah i have to call.

After he's put the 200 it really is not unreasonable for him, with 2 overs and a gutshot, to call for 785 chips more (26% of the chips left on the table).
Since it's winner takes all STT he doesn't need much equity in the hand to be making this call.
He actually has 5 outs and has 21% equity in the hand so his call was actually -ev
......but just say he thought you had top pair top kicker (A8) type hand then he thinks he has 10 outs + backdoor flush and straight draws and has about 41% equity in the hand, which would make calling +ev.

His preflop call and weak flop bet are both garbage, but you played the hand badly too by raising 6 times the BB preflop, you need to control the size of the pot in these games to make your skill advantage count. With 26BB - 32BBs each there is plenty of room for manouver but you're taking that away by making such a big preflop raise.
Really when you raise heads up, the actual hand that you have souldnt affect the amount that you raise but varying your raise amounts (within a small range, 2.5BB-3BB, or even 2BB-3.5BB) and limping sometimes helps with the mind games if you can make him think you're telegraphing the strength of your hand.
Once the blinds go up a couple of levels you can start pushing some hands preflop but standard initial move by you for this hand here should be to raise to 2.5BB-3BB, sometimes limping to be tricky, never folding and never open-pushing.

What was the buyin for this? HH says (50.00|100.00 No Limit - STT), 50 or 100 then?

a million mistakes corrected, HoLLa!~

Only thing wrong with that post is they have 30bb's each.

thx, was looking at the 50/100 thing at the top that confused me, couple of other stupid mistakes too, i'll fix it