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Title: Is this cheating or not? Post by: suzanne on September 26, 2006, 04:08:15 AM 9 seater STT on Tribeca
$10 - NL - 9 Seat - Extended 11943324-91 Holdem No Limit 150/300 [Sep 26 02:48:54] : Hand Start. [Sep 26 02:48:54] : Seat 1 : TexasDeuces has $1,820 [Sep 26 02:48:54] : Seat 3 : DoggyDaze has $2,770 [Sep 26 02:48:54] : Seat 4 : MissHoolie has $4,060 [Sep 26 02:48:54] : Seat 6 : UBluffin has $9,350 [Sep 26 02:48:54] : MissHoolie is the dealer. [Sep 26 02:48:54] : UBluffin posted small blind. [Sep 26 02:48:54] : TexasDeuces posted big blind. [Sep 26 02:48:54] : Game [91] started with 4 players. [Sep 26 02:48:54] : Dealing Hole Cards. [Sep 26 02:48:54] : Seat 4 : MissHoolie has 9h 8c [Sep 26 02:48:57] : DoggyDaze folded. [Sep 26 02:48:58] : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 8 min. [Sep 26 02:48:58] : MissHoolie folded. [Sep 26 02:48:59] : UBluffin : kk [Sep 26 02:49:03] : UBluffin called 150 and raised 9,050 and is All-in [Sep 26 02:49:04] : TexasDeuces folded. [Sep 26 02:49:05] : UBluffin wins 600 as the last player standing [Sep 26 02:49:07] : Hand is over. [Sep 26 02:49:07] : Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 8 min. I did raise my objections but was totally blanked.......this has to be blatant cheating? Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: Wardonkey on September 26, 2006, 04:47:30 AM What exactly are you objecting to and how is it cheating?
Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: daviebhoy on September 26, 2006, 04:56:17 AM What exactly are you objecting to and how is it cheating? I assume suzanne is objecting to someone saying they have KK in the chat box before going all-in. I can't see how that is cheating myself. Its up to you whether you believe him or not. If you have aces you are going to call him either way. dn Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: Wardonkey on September 26, 2006, 05:02:13 AM What exactly are you objecting to and how is it cheating? I assume suzanne is objecting to someone saying they have KK in the chat box before going all-in. I can't see how that is cheating myself. Its up to you whether you believe him or not. If you have aces you are going to call him either way. dn I made the same assumption, but I want to know why Suzanne thinks it is cheating. Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: boldie on September 26, 2006, 09:50:44 AM What exactly are you objecting to and how is it cheating? I assume suzanne is objecting to someone saying they have KK in the chat box before going all-in. I can't see how that is cheating myself. Its up to you whether you believe him or not. If you have aces you are going to call him either way. dn I made the same assumption, but I want to know why Suzanne thinks it is cheating. no this is not cheating...when people announce what they folded when others are still playing the hand...that is cheating Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: M3boy on September 26, 2006, 10:43:56 AM To me this is just pure speech play - he probably had 66 lol
But I believe that on some poker sites, their T & C's state that you are not allowed to talk about your hand while a pot is in progress. Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: ifm on September 26, 2006, 10:46:11 AM Kev and i do it all the time.........:D
Keep typing "aces" before every raise, eventually you might get them :S Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: Dale on September 26, 2006, 11:48:29 AM I find it unlikely that he had had KK anyway. I doubt it made any difference to the way the hand worked out.
I had always believed that you were (only) allowed to talk about your hand in poker when you were heads up. I guess you could ask their online support for clarification on the rules here and let us know. Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: CelticGeezeer on September 26, 2006, 12:04:03 PM Yes its cheating.
Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: boldie on September 26, 2006, 12:05:04 PM Yes its cheating. why? in a live tourney it is considered rude but not cheating why would it be cheating online? Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: CelticGeezeer on September 26, 2006, 12:10:24 PM Discussing hands while the game is in progress is cheating.
Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: ifm on September 26, 2006, 01:00:42 PM Discussing hands while the game is in progress is cheating. No it isn't. I think grosvenor have a rule that if you actually name your own cards it is an offense, but naming anything else is fine. Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: gmoneyAK on September 26, 2006, 01:11:25 PM no its not cheating. I have done this on occasion and cant see a problem with it.
Also a good one is where its likely players will play the board with a full house to say something along the lines of split pot lol then oush all in with 4 of a kind . Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: matt674 on September 26, 2006, 01:14:22 PM also depends what happened the hand before as well. Many a time people are discussing the cards they were holding in the previous hand while a hand is taking place.
but then there have been occasions where people have said things like that in the chat box before making a move - i always treat it with a pinch of salt anyway - if he really did have kings surely he wants action from the short stack in the big blind. Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: matt674 on September 26, 2006, 01:19:53 PM But I believe that on some poker sites, their T & C's state that you are not allowed to talk about your hand while a pot is in progress. This is true - all you need to do is check the T&C's of the site you are playing on and if it is the case then report it. Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: Royal Flush on September 26, 2006, 03:03:03 PM Players are asked to refrain from "table talk" or "coffee-housing" or talking during a hand in a way that compromises an opponent's hand. This applies to players playing in the hand or watching the hand. Repeated abuse of this aspect of behaviour will result in suspension or permanent restriction of play.
Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: Wardonkey on September 26, 2006, 05:04:57 PM Players are asked to refrain from "table talk" or "coffee-housing" or talking during a hand in a way that compromises an opponent's hand. This applies to players playing in the hand or watching the hand. Repeated abuse of this aspect of behaviour will result in suspension or permanent restriction of play. Vague enough... Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: Royal Flush on September 26, 2006, 05:07:24 PM Players are asked to refrain from "table talk" or "coffee-housing" or talking during a hand in a way that compromises an opponent's hand. This applies to players playing in the hand or watching the hand. Repeated abuse of this aspect of behaviour will result in suspension or permanent restriction of play. Vague enough... What do they class as Table Talk, i read that as Speech play. Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: suzanne on September 26, 2006, 05:22:47 PM The reason I thought it was cheating is because this was the first thing anyone had said on the table.
Putting yourself in TexasDeuces shoes...he has 6BBs left and with me and mateyboy having folded if he has any kind of decent hand he is going to whack his chips in there (at least I would have :D) but thinking about it now I suppose if they were cheating then Mr bigstack could have check/folded. It just seemed really odd at the time. Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: Wardonkey on September 26, 2006, 05:40:10 PM Players are asked to refrain from "table talk" or "coffee-housing" or talking during a hand in a way that compromises an opponent's hand. This applies to players playing in the hand or watching the hand. Repeated abuse of this aspect of behaviour will result in suspension or permanent restriction of play. Vague enough... What do they class as Table Talk, i read that as Speech play. It's 'in a way that compromises an opponents' hand' that is the important bit, I think. Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: Dale on September 26, 2006, 05:44:37 PM It's 'in a way that compromises an opponents' hand' that is the important bit, I think. I had always believed that you were (only) allowed to talk about your hand in poker when you were heads up. Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: mikkyT on September 27, 2006, 01:25:20 PM But I believe that on some poker sites, their T & C's state that you are not allowed to talk about your hand while a pot is in progress. This is true - all you need to do is check the T&C's of the site you are playing on and if it is the case then report it. Against the rules? Yes. Cheating? No. Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: matt674 on September 27, 2006, 02:30:40 PM But I believe that on some poker sites, their T & C's state that you are not allowed to talk about your hand while a pot is in progress. This is true - all you need to do is check the T&C's of the site you are playing on and if it is the case then report it. Against the rules? Yes. Cheating? No. And what would the difference be? If it goes against the rules of the site in question then surely they would see the actions as cheating? Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: Royal Flush on September 27, 2006, 05:09:21 PM But I believe that on some poker sites, their T & C's state that you are not allowed to talk about your hand while a pot is in progress. This is true - all you need to do is check the T&C's of the site you are playing on and if it is the case then report it. Against the rules? Yes. Cheating? No. And what would the difference be? If it goes against the rules of the site in question then surely they would see the actions as cheating? lol i was wondering that myself. Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: totalise on September 27, 2006, 05:29:20 PM I guess if you call someone a motherfucker in chat, that goes against the rules but it isn't cheating.
Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: bolt pp on September 27, 2006, 05:42:01 PM But I believe that on some poker sites, their T & C's state that you are not allowed to talk about your hand while a pot is in progress. This is true - all you need to do is check the T&C's of the site you are playing on and if it is the case then report it. Against the rules? Yes. Cheating? No. And what would the difference be? If it goes against the rules of the site in question then surely they would see the actions as cheating? lol i was wondering that myself. there is a BIG difference between breaking the rules and cheating Title: Re: Is this cheating or not? Post by: matt674 on September 27, 2006, 06:56:26 PM I guess if you call someone a motherfucker in chat, that goes against the rules but it isn't cheating. Yes in that instance i agree - that is abuse not cheating. However if a site states that discussing your cards while the hand is still live is against the rules then the site would view that as cheating - same as colluding. If he was actually telling the truth and he did have KK then the two of them are colluding because he is telling the big blind what he is holding so that the big blind doesnt call and risk being eliminated. |