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Playing the Will Hill satelite at Broadway last night, down to around 30 left.

I have 18,000 with blinds 1000 2000 and am SB

Crazy crazy player (no offence as I like him) in seat one just limps in. Folded round to me in the SB so I make up with  8s 9c

BB Checks

Flop  7h Th Jh

So Ive flopped the str8, but its all hearts.

I check, BB checks, crazy guy bets 5000 into a 6000 pot.

I immediately move all in , they call and show  Kh 9h

Just wanted to highlight that some hands you are going broke.

Unless anyone else would of played this different?

It's so hard to ever give anyone credit for flopping a flush.

There are occasions when I can get away from this and others when I might take the shot.  In this situation I'd like to think that I could fold this, although heat of the moment might affect my brain compared to saying this without the pressure!

The issue is that it's not just the made flush you're afraid of, its a player with a flush draw.  Even with a lone heart in his hand you're still in coin flip territory, and are dead to a made flush.

However, what pushes me towards folding here is that you've still another player to act behind you.  Chances are that someone has a heart out there and so I'm at best coin-flipping.  I can find a better spot.

I tend to get into more trouble with these situations when I flop 2 pair or trips on these boards, as I start to consider the redraws I have (and sods law seems to always give me these hands on a monotone board!)  Made straights and low flushes are hands that are easier to escape for me.

as there are 3 hearts on the board I can fold this...boards like this scare the pants of me (whether rightly or wrongly) and heart beats you if another heart comes down and that's not even taking into account the possibility someone flopped the flush.

Boldie/Sheriff,

How do you play it so that you leave yourself a chance of getting away from it?

check fold I'm afraid. especially since the guy fired in a 5k bet..so the 11k you have left to raise him with probably will not scare him off. and you have one guy to act after you aswell.
Like I said..I despise these flops and rightly or wrongly I on't like to play them at all. I want nothing to do with them if I don't hold a heart.

Check-folding here is pretty ridiculous.  In the majority of occasions your opponent only has one heart (if any) and your a 65% favourite if called and win a nice pot if he folds to the check raise.  It's pretty much impossible to get away from especially against the table maniac who could hold any two.   

Tbh i would bet out on that flop and i would get away if i get called and a heart comes on the turn. If i bet, blokey behind me calls and crazy bloke moves in then i would fold.

Edit: If i bet out and get two callers i may be inclined to check-fold the turn anyway. If the BB flat calls here he must be strong. If i bet, the BB folds and the crazy bloke pushes i have to pay him.

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You do make me laugh Boldie.... There is no way you check fold this flop just because there are 3 hearts!!! You have to remember this is against the table maniac who had been raising utg with 10 4 off apparently and betting when missing etc. I think this is a great spot to put them in against him. Heck, he may not even have a heart!! You cannot say that coz he fired in a 5k bet that he must have something!! I have to agree with M3, i would be going broke here, i would be check raising, as, with the short stack he had, there is no point in messing about, especially when all we want is 1st place. Oh, and i did remember what M3 and Matt said yesterday aboutmaking up from the SB, but this would be one of those instances where i would make up with my connectors.

He has nine BB's. NINE! Plus I'm sure Paul wants 1st, he doesn't just want to cash. Any lead out followed by a call, is leaving him with no room to play if a heart comes on board. With the stacks as they are, I don't think anyone gets away.

true..you flop a straight with 9BB's left (8 after limping in) you ussually check raise all in.

Like I said I despise these flops. you could bet out..but as soon as someone reraises you you have to fold. you could also flatcall (I already said I ussually don't) and thenfold if a heart comes on board.

I myself..do not put my chips in the middle when there's an all sooted board and 2 players are still in. (then again M3 is much more successfull than I am so it is no critisism to the way he played it. It's a personal thing for me boards like this 3 handed...

 ;frustrated; ;frustrated; ;frustrated;

But the money is going in anyway. Why are you in such a rush to get it in on the flop. If you bet and then fold on a heart turn you save yourself those times when you would have been outdrawn.

Errr how can you say the money is going in anyway then say fold on a heart turn? Paul is too short to play this cautiously.

If he leads out and gets called and the heart comes, he's mucking and has even less chips. The simple fact is he has no chance of folding against any hand that has him beat already. Push here and getting called, I'd still expect him to be ahead more than half the time.

hmmmm, "Paul", "play" and "cautiously" all in the same sentence - never thought i'd see that on a public forum  ;goodvevil;

What i mean is that if he gets called on the flop he can push the turn and get called.

Anyone who passes here has a huge leak IMO.

What i would have done diffrently is lose AQ vs AK earlier in the comp....

Shhhhh James.

But BOY did that feel good!!!!!!!!  Nice to outdraw someone for a change, and the guy was a complete ar$e as well. SOOO SLOW!!!!!!

It got to the stage that I was calling for the clock as soon as it was his turn to act!!

Example, he had 30k and was BB for 1k. Short stack moves in for 4.5k, folded to him. He looks down at his cards and takes 30 seconds to say "call" . What did he have??? AK ffs!!!!!

I'd have gone skint too, I might have pushed on the flop rather than check-raising.

M8, was a 100% dead cert the guy bets at that pot when holding nothing - was a way of extracting a few more chips. Well, if he didnt have the 2nd nuts that is! lol

Is my suggestion that bad? I can't see the advantages of getting all your chips in on the flop here unless you're forced to. A check call on the flop builds the pot enough so that he calls your turn push so it's not like you need to push now.

Its an option - not a favorite of mine, but yes, an option.

The reason I dislike this play is :

Say he has a VERY low flush and you call his bet - he is more inclined to call the all in on the turn. Whereas he may even lay down a small flush when you check raise him on the flop

Fair enough and thanks for your answer.