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PokerStars Game #6475816754: Tournament #31133534, $20+$2 Hold'em No Limit - Level IV (50/100) - 2006/09/30 - 15:48:21 (ET)
Table '31133534 10' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: Karabiner (5735 in chips)
Seat 2: lovegroove (4045 in chips)
Seat 3: 1980pablo (2825 in chips)
Seat 4: kdc82 (4370 in chips)
Seat 5: Lankylad1 (4583 in chips)
Seat 6: 1nonblonde (4865 in chips)
Seat 7: Ironside (6722 in chips)
Seat 8: The PkrRoach (6915 in chips)
Seat 9: The_Ant7 (4910 in chips)
kdc82: posts small blind 50
Lankylad1: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [9h Th]
1nonblonde: folds
Ironside: calls 100
The PkrRoach: folds
The_Ant7: folds
Karabiner: folds
lovegroove: raises 300 to 400
1980pablo: folds
kdc82: folds
Lankylad1: calls 300
Ironside: calls 300
*** FLOP *** [8h 7s 3h]
Lankylad1: checks

Sorry Ironside, i wrote my ealier post while i was distracted and got my thoughts in a mess.

I would like to check raise allin here because i don't mind getting a free card. If he shows weakness by checking on such a draw intensive board then i can then have a decent stab on the turn to try and take the pot away from him. I don't like leading out because the turn play will be hard if he flat calls and a blank falls on the turn.

In a tournament, my chips are flying in with this hand. You're a near coinflip at worst.

In these situations, I like to either check-raise or bet out. Sometime I like to make a teaser bet and provoke them to re-raise so I can stick it back up them. If they fold, great, but if they call you still have a squllion outs.

so you would fold to an reraise of about 3k with 3675 in the pot?

check raise is fine, if he checks behind you get a freebie to hit anyway

I prefer to bet out, something weakish like half the pot, and shove em in if you get raised by an overpair behind.

If it is you need to hit you are probably a favourite with 9 flush cards and six straight cards twice, c58-60%

I would just shove them all in.  You are favourite to win but need to see the cards all the way to the river.

I like the check raise move here. As Tighty and Snoops say you have plenty of out to hit and I can't see him coming over the top of you.  In this situation my chips are in the middle every time.

personally i dont like the check raise as if he has an over pair i am only 50/50 and he is likely to call and i really dont want to have to see the showdown i am more than happy to win whats in the middle

so i made a pot raise

That seems like silly reasoning to me - If he has an overpair the money is stilll going into the middle if you bet out here.

yeah your problery right bongo but i wanted to buy the pot here and then

rather than giving a free card and missing and having to fold

i didnt mind getting all in but prefered to win whats in there at present

Perfect flop for you, you have so many outs that against almost any hand you are 55% at worst... so i am looking to get my chips in on this flop, by check raising.... I don't see check/calling as an option here at all... The only way you are going to get paid is if you get your chips in the middle on the flop... Check/calling and if your drawer hits then your opponent is likely to slow down IMO.

I love a weak lead in these situations, oppos usually push and I want all my chips in the centre ASAP.

You were extremely lucky to get the flop you did.  Your mistake was open-calling UTG+1 with Ten-high.  You should have folded preflop.

that reminds me, never limp with suited connectors when the blinds are low, it goes against all the textbook advice...stick to premium hands and being entirely predictable and you won't go far wrong!  ::) ;)

Kind of depends on what your definition of low blinds is though. Have to say I agree with MrsLime on this one with a 67 BB stack. If I am going to play it i would raise. Also i don't think this is an unpredictable play. Early position limper with suited conectors or a small pair seems pretty predictable to me.

in deep money i limp into alot of pots hope to connect if i dont hit the flops hard i get away cheap and i get paid if i do hit because people cant get off big hands

i would love to see some discussion of stack sizes and how it makes a difference to the way you can play.

I think that when stacks are deep then tournament play is very similar to cash game play, is this correct?

I play 6 max NL at Absolute where you can buy in for up to 200BBs. I have played around with buying in with 40BBs, 100BBs and 200BBs and I think there are substantial differences in play between each of them. Is 67 BBs enough to make limping UTG+1 with T9s a profitable play? I guess (and it is a guess) not. But I could easily be wrong.

At least you can see where I'm coming from. It is very possible that while trying to learn cash I have forgotten much of what I used to know (not a lot :) ) about playing tourneys and playing with more than 6 to a table.

Congrats on your excellent result BTW.

I don't like limping with these sorts on hands in EP. I thinking playing drawing hands outta position is one of the hanrdest things to do well in NLH.

It depends how you play, if i have 67BB i limp T9 suited, i think i can find ways of winning without hitting. Some people who play tighter might make a loss playing T9 simply for the value of the hand.

I agree with these if the pot was heads up - but its a multi way pot and against two opponents i'd play it with a little more caution. Yes you still might be a slight favourite but 3-way that way only mean being 40% to win the pot. Worse case senario is being up against hands like  Ahrt Kh and  Qs Qc where you suddenly find you are a 3-1 underdog.

In a multi-way pot i'd probably check/call to try and get a cheap card on the turn and then re-assess the situation.