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Title: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: gogo_lizard on October 07, 2006, 08:56:55 PM Strategy of Flop Seen Rate
The strategy of flop seen rate is a very important strategy, especially for beginner and intermediate players. If you have had less idea about how flop seen rate functions in Texas Hold’em, take a look at the below article very carefully, and it will help you improve your game tremendously. My flop seen vs. Table flop seen ‘My flop seen’ is the percentage of how many times you see the flop (where you do not fold the pre-flop). ‘Table flop seen’ is the percentage of players who see the flop at your table (players who do not fold the pre-flop). This is very important statistics because flop seen rate is the strongest indicator in poker. Be aware that most of the good players are playing only strong starting hands. Strategy of flop seen rate 1. If table flop seen is under 20%, this table is deemed very conservative. Try a blind steal more frequently, and if your loose play works, go ahead. However, be careful about raising or re-raising against the conservative opponents. 2. If table flop seen is over 35% - Your play should be more conservative. (Keep your flop seen rate around 20%) 3. In ring games, you should pick up the table which has at least 35% of table flop seen rate (The higher the better). 4. However, the above percentages should be adjusted along with the players’ number of the table. The fewer players there are, the more flops you should see, because if there are fewer players, the minimum requirement for starting hands is getting lower. <A formula for calculating the proper flop seen rate along with the players’ number> The proper flop seen rate = 20% + (10-numer of players)*5% which is, 10 player - 20% 9 player - 25% 8 player -30 % 7 player - 35% 6 player - 40% 5 player - 45% 4 player - 50% 3 player - 55% 2 player - 60% If your flop seen rate is lower than the proper flop seen rate, it indicates that your play is conservative. If your flop seen rate is higher than the proper flop seen rate, it indicates that your play is loose. Remember that the flop seen rate of most successful Hold’em players is less than 25% at the 9~10 players’ table. All right, next time I will post lecture #2, a subject of how come people end up all in! Thanks Jay Edit Note .. I have removed the spammy bit, but the body of text is quite useful to some. Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: Sark79 on October 07, 2006, 08:57:59 PM Welcome to the Blonde forum mate
Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: Poppet7 on October 07, 2006, 08:58:49 PM Hello and Welcome
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Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: Colchester Kev on October 07, 2006, 09:02:04 PM A good effort at disguising spam ... but spam it is and its going .
Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: Royal Flush on October 07, 2006, 09:02:57 PM (It’s not a spam! Personally, I am a PokerKant fanatic, for I think it’s literally a well-made poker odds calculator.) The post went up 2 mins after he signed up, lol, quick typing if it was not a copy and paste! Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: Indestructable on October 07, 2006, 09:20:04 PM I just wanted to use this:
;spam; Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: AndrewT on October 07, 2006, 09:26:38 PM He's certainly been busy recently.
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22The+strategy+of+flop+seen+rate+is+a+very+important+strategy%2C+especially+for+beginner+and+intermediate+players (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22The+strategy+of+flop+seen+rate+is+a+very+important+strategy%2C+especially+for+beginner+and+intermediate+players) Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: moritzey on October 07, 2006, 10:22:44 PM You have to give him credit for trying ....
Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: moritzey on October 07, 2006, 10:26:14 PM .. sorry for replying to myself again, but he's actually been answering to comments on this thread on other websites, I think we can expect a post, too? Probably along these lines:
Quote Thanks for your opinions. In addition to my article above, I'd like to add the followings. If you feel the flop seen rates above are loose, your are the very conservative player. My formula is especially for online poker. The live poker is a little tighter than online poker. The most important thing is to remember that you should adapt to the table and opponents for your play. It is much more important than the minor differences of flop seen rate between the loose and tight game. If you feel comfortable at your table, and there are little raise or reraise (passive table), you should try to limp with much more hands to hit the flop monster (it's specially true for NL game), and it will increase your flop seen rate. On the other hand, if the table is aggressive-there are big raises frequently or bets are reraised frequently, you should more tighten up your pre-flop play. However, if the raiser is a loose and wild raiser, you can call and reraise more loosely than a normal play. Besides the table mood, there are many factors to decide to enter the pot or fold at the pre-flop.- the size of your and opponent's stacks, the size of blinds, game types(NL or not), your opponents' post flop tendencies (bad fold in large pots or bad calls in small ones..), the predictability of opponents' play, etc. Flop seen rate in head-up is another story. If your opponent is tight and passive, you should try to enter the pot at pre-flop every time. Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: Ironside on October 07, 2006, 10:45:25 PM who moved this to this board surely it should be on the live poker board ;
Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: lynx5.0 on October 07, 2006, 11:07:09 PM why the hell has this post been moved here :dontask: ;) ;ifm;
Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: Colchester Kev on October 08, 2006, 12:55:47 AM Sark told me to move it here :)
Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: SupaMonkey on October 08, 2006, 02:55:48 AM Interesting but this sounds like something out of one of those theoretical poker books which sounds nice but does nothing to improve your poker.
Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: matt674 on October 08, 2006, 09:12:02 AM I cant give any generalization as to cash games stats as i'm an MTT monkey but to be honest i never pay much attention to the bare stats on that page on pokerstars as there is so much information that could influence those statistics that cannot be shown.
You can only play the cards you are dealt - if someone tells me that i should be aiming to see 20% of flops and i happen to be at 25% then i'm not going to start folding premium starting hands just to lower my percentage. Also those stats show how many times you saw a flop - a lot of the time you will win pots without seeing a flop, those hands are not shown on your stats which can be very misleading. To be honest i'd like to win every pot without seeing a flop - yes it would be a grind but i'd have 0% chance of ever losing a hand as i'll never see a hand through to showdown! You can easily change your strategy depending on the type of table you are sat at. If i am playing against 8 opponents who are very tight then i will loosen up my game and steal a lot more from them both preflop and on the flop. However if i get on a table where my 8 opponents are very loose then i will tighten up and wait for the big hands against them, chances are one of them will pay me off..... You can read so many things into bare statistics without knowing the real picture. All you can do is play the cards and play the players.............. Title: Re: Strategy of Flop Seen Rate – Jay Post by: Sark79 on October 08, 2006, 10:40:36 AM Sark told me to move it here :) lol, I am sorry :D |