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Title: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: snoopy1239 on October 16, 2006, 06:12:00 PM
$2/4

On bb with A-5

Flop = A-5-5

I bet, early pos limper calls

Turn - 8

a load of min raises and min re-raises.

Is it possible to put my opponent on 8-8 and get away from the hand. What else could he have that I am beating as an early limper?


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: jezza777 on October 16, 2006, 06:14:30 PM
stack depth is fairly improtant here imho also the amount of the bets through the hand?

at the moment if u are deep enough possibly


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: Royal Flush on October 16, 2006, 06:16:27 PM
Why do you always min raise in NL holdem snoopy? Not a criticism just an honest question, in nearly all of your HH posts you have min raised.


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: temp0r on October 16, 2006, 06:24:50 PM
not in a cash game. unless you know the player well as a total rock who wouldn't may min raises such as this without the nuts.
i've only folded a full house before in a sat. and i think it was only once turned out i was winning but i had chips back anyway.


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: snoopy1239 on October 16, 2006, 06:58:08 PM
Why do you always min raise in NL holdem snoopy? Not a criticism just an honest question, in nearly all of your HH posts you have min raised.

Because, from my experience at 2/4 cash games, it seems to be the cheapest way of garnering whether you opponent is strong or weak.

On this occasion, it was to lure him in rather than to establish hand strength, but after he min re-raised my raise, I suddenly thought that he had 8-8, maybe even A-A, but not a hand I could beat. I didn't have it in me to fold though, but I just wondered if it was possible and how many re-raises it would take.


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: Sunday8pm on October 17, 2006, 03:41:31 AM
of course you can pass... especially if you are not committing yourself by min raising etc.

I think Negreanu should pass in his FH v Quads hand against Gus Hansen in High Stakes poker.

Obviously i have the benefit of hindsight, but even still, i couldnt decipher a hand Negreanu was beating, he had 4th nuts.

Even Gus Hansen can't be enough of a loon to jam the river with air in that situation


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: boldie on October 17, 2006, 09:04:02 AM
$2/4

On bb with A-5

Flop = A-5-5

I bet, early pos limper calls

Turn - 8

a load of min raises and min re-raises.

Is it possible to put my opponent on 8-8 and get away from the hand. What else could he have that I am beating as an early limper?

it'll be a tough fold....you play A5 , hit the full house so it's essentially the best flop you could hope for when playing marginal (if not to call it crap) stuff.

I am assuming you got beat with this one...but especially with min raises it'll be a tough fold...I would reraise one of the min raises for a fair amount and see what they do.

Essentially it depends on what players you are up against and how many of them + action before the flop.



Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: matt674 on October 17, 2006, 10:07:05 AM
it'll be a tough fold....you play A5 , hit the full house so it's essentially the best flop you could hope for when playing marginal (if not to call it crap) stuff.

Best Flop: 5-5-5 (will get paid by bigger overpairs who cant lay down full house)

2nd best flop: A-A-A (stone cold nuts but little chance of getting paid off big unless someone overplays a pair big time)

Anything else and you may be in trouble



Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: boldie on October 17, 2006, 10:15:15 AM
it'll be a tough fold....you play A5 , hit the full house so it's essentially the best flop you could hope for when playing marginal (if not to call it crap) stuff.

Best Flop: 5-5-5 (will get paid by bigger overpairs who cant lay down full house)

2nd best flop: A-A-A (stone cold nuts but little chance of getting paid off big unless someone overplays a pair big time)

Anything else and you may be in trouble



lol..yeah the quads are of course better...

anything else and you might be in trouble...yep..which is why I tend not to play A5


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: matt674 on October 17, 2006, 10:16:49 AM
 ;iagree;

hence the term "marginal hand"

but then i dont play cash either!!  :D


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: boldie on October 17, 2006, 10:18:49 AM
;iagree;

hence the term "marginal hand"

but then i dont play cash either!!  :D

lol...yeah...I'm the same...my cash game has gone to hell the more tourneys I play...I have now given up on them completely.


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on October 17, 2006, 02:29:15 PM
$2/4

On bb with A-5

Do you tend to fold it on your bb then boldie???


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: boldie on October 17, 2006, 02:36:24 PM
$2/4

On bb with A-5

Do you tend to fold it on your bb then boldie???

If everyone just limped then no of course not...if there was a reasonable sized bet then yes.

I already answered snoops question and after that matt and i were just posting for posting's sake.......I'm not saying it was useful... :)


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: matt674 on October 17, 2006, 02:43:58 PM
I already answered snoops question and after that matt and i were just posting for posting's sake.......I'm not saying it was useful... :)

Definately not useful if the monkey is talking cash games!!

"use", "chocolate" and "fireguard" are words that spring to mind  :D


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: boldie on October 17, 2006, 03:08:35 PM
I already answered snoops question and after that matt and i were just posting for posting's sake.......I'm not saying it was useful... :)

Definately not useful if the monkey is talking cash games!!

"use", "chocolate" and "fireguard" are words that spring to mind  :D

hmmmmm firey chocolate.


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: SupaMonkey on October 17, 2006, 03:10:56 PM
Well, 2 out of 3 is a nice try Boldie.


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: boldie on October 17, 2006, 03:17:11 PM
Well, 2 out of 3 is a nice try Boldie.

thanks....I'll settle for nice try...it's a lot more success then I've been having lately.

*I'll get my coat.


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: SupaMonkey on October 17, 2006, 03:42:41 PM
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Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: GlasgowBandit on October 17, 2006, 07:07:32 PM
if you put him on a hand that beats you then you have to fold.  Its possible that he had hit his set but never had the boat also.  I am not folding it in this situation. if there are raises and min re-raises i am jamming the pot as soon as i have been min re-raised lets see what he has if he has it then fair play.


Title: Re: Is it possible to fold a full house?
Post by: KeithyB on October 17, 2006, 10:02:51 PM
Stack size info would help here.

Maybe early position limper was big stack trying his luck, mixing it up, with say 5 6 suited?

Then he only has to call min raise to stay in hand to get position against just one other player. So worth a go

After flop he probably thinks he's got set versus A's and 5's