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OK, I was watching the second hand of this, there is a small raise by the 9,10 and Hung announced re-raise with AK, because he put the call in after he announced re-raise, he was deemed to have string betted and was only allowed to raise the minimum?

************   Late night poker Ace episode 4 at about 4minutes 30 seconds into the program.

Serious question, as I would have allowed him to state his raise, please discuss,,,,,,,

surely the verbal declaration goes and he can raise whatever he likes? seems odd to me.


many players say re-raise, put the "call" chips in, and then work out how much to re-raise and aren't called for stringing wherever I play live.

I thought this too, but who am i to argue with Mr Kremser :D

yep...the declaration should be good IMO BUT I have seen it many a time, as soon as you stick some chips in it's a minimum raise in some places.

again, as the old master (TK) said many a time, Poker has never bothered working out the rules and so the rules are different everywhere.

Pathetic really.

It does actually make sense, If you remember the thread that was posted by Tikay, it would solve the problem of 3 people passing after announced, as they would know what bet they are passing too, and it would stop people looking for a reaction after the raise was announced, and THEN deciding to to state what the raise actually is. So it does eliminate a possible stroke.

I am undecided now ;goodvevil;

I have always allowed people to make their raise (after announced) after putting their call in. Never had a problem before?

I am not saying it is wrong or right...I don't really care either way...if people raise me the raise can be whatever they want I will never accuse them of string betting in a situation like this, but I'm fine with people calling it string betting.

We just need consistency..and ATM there isn't any in poker. (TK, by pointing out the obvious lack of consistency and how pathetic this is,  has actually made this a pet peeve of mine as well now...damn him..as if I didn't have enough of those.)


edit* spelling.

The raise is legitimate, he announced re-raise first.  He was just making up the chips to call before he puts in the re-raise part.

Ruling is wrong in my opinion

clearly the wrong choice of TD. What were Party thinking of?

That's how they were all doing it at Walsall for the PL tournament.

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Can I ask a few novicey questions of the great minds of blonde please.

If someone raises infront of me do I have to say re-raise or can I just say raise?

If I verbalise the bet and say reraise and the amount can I then put the chips in any way I like?


NB:
I got pulled up at the Broadway for saying raise 3,000 after a raise and then knocking my chips all other the shop like the big steaming haddock I am.

Good ruling!

Say re-raise, count your chips behind the sometimes imaginary line, and put them in.

There is absolutely no need to put in the chips in stages.  

you did the right thing up untill the moment where you just chucked your chips in.

It is etiquette to be dealer friendly and keep the table neat, that's why you don't just literally fling the chips in but move them in stacked

Was not deliberate I hasten to add, first time playing live felt like I was wearing boxing gloves!

yeah first time playing live can be very intimidating.

how did you get on? and, more importantly, did you have fun?

As I said to the wife;

Internet play is like masturbation, it’s a release, its quick and its OK.

Live tournament play is like making love to the woman you are in love with, it’s just so much better. (And also quite quick but I don’t want to go into that!)

But Chris Marais said I just lifted that from the bloke on the fast show (Swiss Tony) sounds about right as its to clever for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtoyLPROLZI

If you had announced raise 3000 before you knocked your chips all over the shop, your raise is still good

you can't help the big steaming haddock, happens to us all, at some point

If you say "raise 3000" then you have to put 3000 on top of the calling amount. If you say "raise TO 3000", then you put a raise that makes the total bet up to 3000 - that will do what I believe you where trying to do.

Cheer Mikky and LG for the help, sorry to hijack you thread Dik you know how fishy I am when it comes to live play.

Don't be silly Kev, it is important you know for next time, the bit I don't understand is that you said "I got pulled up at the Broadway for saying raise 3,000 after a raise and then knocking my chips all other the shop " If you said raise 3000 then how can you get pulled up? Was you allowed to bet it? I hope so!

Yeah the dealer conceded that I had verbalized the bet, but mainly because the other player mucked as soon as I re-raised him so nobody was in an argumentative mood. Bigfella (glenn) was sitting at the same table as me and he couldn't understand it either. I felt like I had done the correct thing but was not really sure if I had caused a problem by not saying re-raise too 3000 and just said raise 3000 and put the bet in (cack handed as it happens) 3000 which was only a raise of 2000 on the guys raise of 1000 . Dealer was cool with it and I'll know in future to be more specific with my verbal declaration.

To Clarify then, you do not have to state re-raise, as saying raise is good enough. In effect you are stating that whatever it is to call you would like to raise.

I have never yet heard someone say re-re-re raise :D (usually because it is an all-in by this point, but you catch my drift?

Certainly do Dik and thanks again for the help.

But as Mikky says, if you said raise 3000 then you do have to put 3000 on top of the call. so your action should have been 4000

Yes thanks to the help from everybody who posted I figured it out. As I say at the time I did not think i had done anything wrong, Its probably one of the more common and easier mistakes to make.