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Title: What would you do?
Post by: Dingdell on October 17, 2006, 05:46:20 PM
Sportsman last night, £250 buy in, last 2 tables.
Average stack 12,000. All night been below average, always about half, until my M became intollerably low and I started throwing all the chips in. Got doubled up to 11,000 so I'm about there.

Me - button
SB - scandie who announced he was aggressive when I sat down (so I pushed all in first hand to check that statement - he wasn't....)
BB - James from PNL.

All fold to me, I have K Q unsuited.

SB has me covered by about 2k, James about 6 more.

What would you do?


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Claw75 on October 17, 2006, 05:51:07 PM
how big are the blinds?


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Dingdell on October 17, 2006, 05:57:29 PM
sorry - 600/1200


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: TightEnd on October 17, 2006, 06:22:07 PM
this all sounds very familiar

I would Limp, try and see a flop in position, feigning strength compared to your previous all in strategy


Can't standard raise without having to release if reraised and leaving yourself in the mire again

don't like the all in again because they will be itching to call and KQ doesn't thrill me to be all in with here


I bet you chucked it in, ran into an Ace and then posted this....


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: TightEnd on October 17, 2006, 06:30:56 PM
but once upon a time I pushed..

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=10369.0


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: GlasgowBandit on October 17, 2006, 07:00:45 PM
Tough, i hate KQ but it seems to be the sort of attached too as i always seem to think i have two live cards.  I think I want to se a flop but it all depends in the situation how long have you been at the table?  Is your all in the only time you have pushed.raised since you sat down?

I am raising in this spot though, although i can see what tighty is saying of the flop comes A high and unless thers a T J in there is well you are folding to a bet!


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Claw75 on October 17, 2006, 07:05:57 PM
when I initially read this I thought I'd raise 3x bb, and fold to a reraise or a bet on an A high flop.  On reflection though, I think I'd push. 


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: TightEnd on October 17, 2006, 07:07:40 PM
Tough, i hate KQ but it seems to be the sort of attached too as i always seem to think i have two live cards.  I think I want to se a flop but it all depends in the situation how long have you been at the table?  Is your all in the only time you have pushed.raised since you sat down?

I am raising in this spot though, although i can see what tighty is saying of the flop comes A high and unless thers a T J in there is well you are folding to a bet!

tracey says she has been in all in mode for quite a while

this swings it for me to play it cautious as the blinds will be wanting to look her up


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: RED-DOG on October 17, 2006, 07:11:20 PM
I think I would call, and if one of them raised pre I would rr all in.


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: GlasgowBandit on October 17, 2006, 07:11:28 PM
Tough, i hate KQ but it seems to be the sort of attached too as i always seem to think i have two live cards.  I think I want to se a flop but it all depends in the situation how long have you been at the table?  Is your all in the only time you have pushed.raised since you sat down?

I am raising in this spot though, although i can see what tighty is saying of the flop comes A high and unless thers a T J in there is well you are folding to a bet!

tracey says she has been in all in mode for quite a while

this swings it for me to play it cautious as the blinds will be wanting to look her up

She also says she pushed all in first hand when she sat down i get the impression this is a fairly new table.  I can certainly see the logic your applying tighty but i'm a sucker for getting attached to a hand that looks good but doesn't always ammount to much.


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Jim-D on October 17, 2006, 07:12:43 PM
I think im pushing here, They're gonna need to find a strong hand to call and if someone did call with A rag then your not a huge dog,

Limping is probably the last thing id do, You need chips to win the tourney so passing in this spot would also be silly.

So ;all-in;


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Jim-D on October 17, 2006, 07:14:24 PM
I think I would call, and if one of them raised pre I would rr all in.

Do you not think that they would be priced in for the call? or is that what you want them to do?


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: NoflopsHomer on October 17, 2006, 07:34:27 PM
I push. But I don't think passing is a bad choice either. I don't like limping here.


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Jim-D on October 17, 2006, 07:39:02 PM
Can i ask why you'd pass in this situation Chris?


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: RED-DOG on October 17, 2006, 08:03:04 PM
I think I would call, and if one of them raised pre I would rr all in.

Do you not think that they would be priced in for the call? or is that what you want them to do?


If you push, you risk winning a small pot if they fold, or losing all your chips if you run into a big hand.

If you limp, theres a good chance that a raise will be a steal, if you then re-steal you will at least be playing for a big pot.

This play keeps your options open, if they push all in pre, you can get away cheaply, If they raise to say 3.5k and you move in, they can fold for 7k more, or they might feel obliged to call with a worse hand. either way, you keep some initiative.

I think


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Jim-D on October 17, 2006, 08:11:07 PM
Thanks RED,

Another little tip to add to my armour, 


I've started to post more in the hand analysis board to see if others concur with my decisions and test my own theories.


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: NoflopsHomer on October 17, 2006, 08:57:56 PM
Can i ask why you'd pass in this situation Chris?

Because you've been all-in a lot recently, one of the blinds may be tempted to call you with a raggy ace, I just don't like a limp, because with my chip stack, I want to play for all my chips or none of them and not in between.


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Dingdell on October 17, 2006, 08:59:38 PM
I raise to 6k, just over half my stack. The SB (the aggressive scandi) pushes all in. He covers me. BB folds. Back to me.
Now what do you do?


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: RED-DOG on October 17, 2006, 09:01:13 PM
I raise to 6k, just over half my stack. The SB (the aggressive scandi) pushes all in. He covers me. BB folds. Back to me.
Now what do you do?

Call


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Jim-D on October 17, 2006, 09:03:16 PM
with that big a raise your basically telling them "I aint folding to a re raise"  with all that money in there now Id have to call.

If the raise had been to 3k then a pass may be viable but now its too late i feel.


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Claw75 on October 17, 2006, 09:20:14 PM
yep you have to call now. 


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Dingdell on October 17, 2006, 09:43:11 PM
I agree - I called and he had pocket jacks. King comes on flop, jack on river to give him trips.  I wonder if the aggressive comment was tricky?


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: TightEnd on October 17, 2006, 11:20:16 PM
forget what he had for a moment, I hate the size of your raise (sorry), if you don't want to limp or pass you just needed to go all in rather than raise an amount where you can't pass to a re-raise

I like the limp in position

If the BB pushes I fold knowing I'm likely behind to a pair or any A and then next time/next round know I have to push


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Royal Flush on October 17, 2006, 11:27:35 PM
I prefer the 1/2 stack raise to the all in, it looks stronger.


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: SupaMonkey on October 18, 2006, 01:14:01 AM
I prefer the 1/2 stack raise to the all in, it looks stronger.

That depends on your opponent.


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: GlasgowBandit on October 18, 2006, 09:58:58 AM
Now u have to call Trace!

If you pass in this position I am sending Tommy round with his mallet!



Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: Dingdell on October 18, 2006, 08:39:08 PM
I prefer the 1/2 stack raise to the all in, it looks stronger.

That's what I thought - make it look like a 'what ever you do I'm pushing it in because I have a monster type of hand'.


Title: Re: What would you do?
Post by: snoopy1239 on October 19, 2006, 09:50:03 AM
I'd limp and try and see a flop. If you push, then, with those chips, you're only going to get a call from a hand that's beating you, but not only that, there's a good chance that it will be a dominating one.