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Been having this debate with a few people over the past couple of days and have been surprised about how split opinions have been, seemingly based on age.

Just wondering what you Oasis fans, music enthusiasts and insomniacs thought?

For me its Morning glory by a mile, followed by Definitely Maybe and Masterplan, I always assumed others thought like wise(about the first two at least) but not the case.

(There is no: "they're all crap" option, though one may be added later if there is sufficient demand) :D

no contest definetely maybe without a doubt.

From personal experience... its JUST morning glory, followed by definitely maybe.. for me its the quality of their 2nd album which overrides the newness of the 1st.. you just cant beat dont look back in anger!! ( as a man city fan its a good thing to think!!)

There are only two Oasis albums. Number 1 and Number 2 on your list

Summer Fruits is definitely my favourite Oasis number, but I'll take Orange if thats all they've got left.

I agree, had an energy, freshness and buzz about it. Anything after that has been as dull as dish water and ultimately very disappointing. Unlike other bands, Oasis have never really kept up with the times or tried to reinvent themselves. Instead choosing to churn out the same old droney tripe over and over again. As a result, I think many fans became bored with them and the novelty of the two Gallagher brothers as characters soon wore off.

However, I still think they can pull out the odd decent tune, but as for albums, I doubt they have it in them to produce something as good as Definitely Maybe again. I still listen to it now, and he really does have life to it, something that all their other stuff severly lacks.

Its a Definitely Never Again situation.

 :goodpost:  I completely agree.

Though i Will say i think they got a lot more stick than they deserved for be here now.

Every song went on for ten minutes and it was nowhere nearly as good as the previous two(wasn't ever really gonna be) but i dont think it was as bad as the press made out.

Definately maybe, prob in the top 3 debut albums of all time.

Agreed.

voted def maybe by far the best album

But not a patch on The stone roses debut album imo

Revolver by the Beatles.

The above mentioned two albums are also amazing.

Definently Maybe for me.  Didn't realise they had so many albums out

 ;izimbra;

I'm another fan of Definately Maybe.

I was actually having a similar conversation with some folk other night.  Great band at their peak.

I remember the days where we used to wander around Auchinlea Park with a bottle of win and a ghetto blaster with some Oasis, Paul Weller, Verve!  WOW - they where the good old days - I feel I am getting old!

i liked oasis in thier prime, now i find thier songs etc very irritating to listen to, dont remember even a good single since masterplan, total also rans now. as for a top 3 album :D no chance, try top 20

just checked the some list of the best ever albums, def maybe is top, hmm i know its good but the best??????

Best....album.....ever!

Oasis don't deserve to be in the same thread!

definitely maybe (definitely)

You mean they've actually released more than one album?  :dontask:

I was always under the impression that they released the same album each time but changed the titles of the songs!!

lol   I thought that after the 2nd album .  The first two were ok, but I wasn't keen on the others. I gave up after number 4 so they may have a brilliant album that I have never heard before

Definitely maybe was the album for a which set a precedence at the time, It was from an underground band rarely known with  a rough gritty rock feel.

What made it even better was they were not a mainstream POP band, The even played at THE tea in the park. Just to kill the party however along comes morning glory with the BRIT pop label and spoils the whole thing, suddenly school kids and ex take that fans are "in to " Oasis.

That killed the band off for me, they had too much money from that point on wards and the music seemed to matter less, The band was no longer noticed for their music but for trying to buy a stake in a footie club or for shagging Patsy Kensit, fighting in pubs, slapping paparazzi etc.

They could have been a GREAT band and could have conquered the states if only things had gone differently..

Feel free to disagree

sitting on my own
chewing on a bone
a thousand million miles from home
when something hit me
somewhere right between the eyes.........

...... wallop..... Masterplan for me.

I have always liked Patsy Kensit.  She is in a crappy soap series now on TV apparently, I have not seen her for years though since she was married to one of them

Name the single / CD it was a B side on.

some might say it was some might say

Yup and it was great, Although do you know the record that charted in the top ten that was never included on an album?

Whatever  (I think??)

And for me it is definitely maybe.  I also think in their prime they produced the best B sides.

Definately Maybe also by a mile. You cant beat that rough, first album sound.  They were too engineered on subsequent albums, although still a few great songs came out of them.  I loved all the b-sides that they produced also.  Gotta admit, not even listened to the last 2 albums.  It was enough just to hear the songs they released and thought "yep, same old Oasis, been there, seen them, got the t-shirt."

Oasis? You jest. They have not penned a song worth of inclusion in the top million, not cut an album good enough to be used as a coaster, and not impressed any grown-ups with their infantile behaviour.

I watched a show last weekend with a list of the top 100 albums of all time, they had a few in that.

Glad the Smiths had more :)

Wonderwall.

I'm with Silo on this one, I'm pretty sure Masterplan was on Wonderwall and Acquiesce was on Some Might Say.

Talk tonight was on Some might say



the single without an album was whatever.

"So I broke into the Palace
with a sponge and a rusty spanner
she said: "Eh, I know you, and you cannot sing"
I said: "that's nothing - you should hear me play piano""

The Queen is Dead

I did the Smiths tour last year, bloody amazing!

http://www.rock-planet.co.uk/oasis/discography.php (http://www.rock-planet.co.uk/oasis/discography.php)

You bugger, I was just that bit too young when The Smiths were going to be allowed to go thier gigs.  Last year?  I have no idea what I was doing last year to have missed that tour  :'(

he may mean morrisey, i don't re call hearing of the smiths playing.

Morrisey was great last year, huge sing a long.

No I meant the tour of Manchester, Salford places where they made their videos and references in their songs. But i did actually see them live when I was 12, my sis took my along, she always was a good un!

aah.

i did the salford boys club pilgrimage a couple of years ago.

looks like we had our wires crossed F, I was on about the lyrics that rover posted.

Can someone post a song here since the 90s that's better than The Masterplan or Live Forever or Don't Look Back in Anger?

Morning glory easily.

Blur were better though.

Tikay? You jest. Sales speak for themselves. Artists don't 'cut' albums anymore. By 'grown-ups', do you mean the over 60's?

Hehehe... it's a good thing when old people don't like a band! :D

Tikay is still upset since the death of Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, that was the last artist he saw Live  :D

Cue Mozart album poll thread......

Have to say i like many have tired of oasis as i have got older, but the first 2 albums and the b-sides to the singles (alot ended up on the masterplan) were top notch.

I voted for definatley maybe, that raw sound of growing in a working class area of Manchester and just wanting to get out and be something was never able to be replicated due to the success it brought them. As a 14 year old lad when it came out tho it was the kind of music i was looking for and is certainly partly responsible for my taste in music even today. Hey i may never have discovered The Smiths, The Stone Roses etc if it wasn't for this album.

The sales mean nothing - except to indicate that the buyers were starved of decent quality music, so they had to buy junk, such as Oasis, or The Smiths.

In the 60's & 70's we were treated to real quality music. Beatles, Eagles, The Hollies, Floyd, Yardbirds, ELP, ELO, Yes, Eric Clapton in his various guises, Genesis, Dire Straits, Rod Stewart, Deep Purple, all of these & hundreds more had more talent in their fingernails than Oasis & The Smiths had in total. Some of them could actually sing, or play their own instruments. Some of them even turned up to play their gigs..........

And who do you think were the greatest inspiration to Oasis? Which famous group can you hear in a lot of their songs?
"The sales mean nothing"..... that must make the Beatles shite then.

 ::)

The Beatles were not an inspiration to Oasis, Oasis simply copied & lived off Beatles material.

Can you seriously suggest that any living songwriter or lyricist can surpass Imagine, SPLHCB, A Day in the Life, When I'm 64, She's Leaving Home, Norweigan Wood, and a hunderd other masterpieces?

Purlease!

And don't YOU start.

Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when I'm 64......

No living songwriter could surpass that, you're quite right.

Oasis were/are the best band of 'my' generation. They are the nuts.

Tikay you are too old for music anyway :D

roger whitaker is tikays hero, with Val doonican a close second.

and Snoopy likes Russ Abbot :D

The Beach Boys. I win.

When I mentioned Revolver, I was trying to make the same point as you funnily enough. It's similar with the Strokes, they're a copy of Velvet Underground/Tom Petty and the Heartbreakers.

Tikay old chap, you nearly had a point listing awful but undeniably popular (and so I assume must have had some merit) 60s and 70s bands.

But you lost me at the point that 'Imagine' was quoted as being something any living lyrcicist could pen. I struggle to conceive of any lyricist not being able to pen equally juvenile, schmaltzy lyrics dressed up as idealism at best or insight and sincerity at worst.

Let's go :-))

I like the Beatles, jolly tight pop tunes and all. But lyrically they are a million miles behind the genius of someone like Morrissey.

Also, being heavily influenced aint always a bad thing in my humble... The Strokes are pop tuningly, achingly brilliant at their best.

Morning Glory > Definitely Maybe for me, although I admit it's a close call.

This is the same argument I had with all my Uni friends, back in the late nineties - we were already getting nostalgic for the mid-nineties!

They all went for Definitely Maybe, leaving me alone to defend the second album. No surprise to me then that the debut is killing this poll.... a tough ask, but for me there simply isn't an unmemorable track on Morning Glory.

 :goodpost:

I agree Definitely Maybe is a cracking debut album but, for me, Morning Glory is clearly superior on strength of songs.   I feel it's just become very trendy to say DM was the best Oasis album.  :dontask:

"Don't believe the truth" isn't too bad an album either certainly the best since the first two.

The Oasis Greatest hits comes out very soon too.......now that will be a belter for anyone who hasn't bought any Oasis since the first two albums!  :)up

for me its got to be.....
She's electric
Shes's in a family full of eccentrics
shes done things Ive never expected
and i need more time.............................................

How can people make a case for, or against, something so subjecive?

I used to say (WTS)MG? was the best album as well but DM is just so fresh, slightly edgey and far less mainstream. It has lasted the test of time a lot better.

although the oasis albums are undoubtably good , they are not a patch on THE outstanding album of modern times............

I have to disagree. Everyone's view on music is different and unique but the sales determine who was accepted by the widest variety of people.

Sales mean everything IMO.

i think that in the modern era of free download sites , sales mean very little.

True, but Oasis' first two albums (which sold a kabillion copies) were before that.

 rotflmfao  but unfortunately  :redcard: as not eligible due to it only being a single rather than an album!  

Just checked and matches my copy  ;whistle;

also if you are talking about sales you would have to factor in the relevant population and disposable income criteria as well

This theory breaks down when you consider how many sales the Crazy Frog generated...

I'm not so sure.

Look at cinema audiences in the 30's and 40's compared to now. The relevant populations and disposable incomes are much much larger today but audiences are many times smaller than back then.

they didnt have videos , dvds , computers etc back then

rubbish in bed tho...

Derek & The Dominos and Cream for me. Not overly keen on his stuff with Yardbirds & Blind Faith.

It would never hold up in court!

(http://www.whatsonstage.com/dl/res_images/RussAbbot_DoolittleMFL.jpg)

There's a difference between a collection of songs and an album, as the latter, Definitely Maybe is far superior.

Steps sold a lot of records too...

Again true but they still had larger audiences back then than in ANY other decade; videos, dvds, computers or not.

BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING ELSE TO DO

People underestimate the depth of the purses of pre-pubescent white girls. ::)

As Red says, it's not the kind of argument one can really "win" (it's subjective), but it is fun sometimes to kick the ball around, even if no goals are scored.

For example, a lot of the people who discovered Oasis after they became massive for Morning Glory, had to be looked down the length of the noses of everyone who already knew them from Definitely Maybe, who could then go "yeah, but we were there first..."

As Keithy says, it was also trendy to praise DM over MG; partly I think because the Gallaghers themselves always said that they thought the first album was so much better - and who would disagree with the guys that wrote it?

I still think Morning Glory is better, I don't think it's fared worse with age than the debut. It even survives the Gary Glitter sample it used on Track one, and that's no mean feat.

Lastly - I still hear some of the non-singles from Morning Glory get played on the radio quite frequently (I'm thinking 'Champagne Supernova', 'She's Electric' and 'Cast No Shadow' in particular), whereas the non-singles from Definitely Maybe never seem to get played. Is that any sort of criteria for relative success?

As I said, just because an album has good stand out songs on it that do well in the charts or are still played on the radio doesn't necessary make it a better album.

For instance, have you ever listened to a 'Best Of' and thought, "It's okay, but it's not as good as one of their proper albums"? For example, The Best of The Clash is of course going to have all their good songs, but as an album, it's never going to surpass London Calling.

Of course, if you buy an album and play the odd song now and then, then Morning Glory might be your prefered choice. However, when it comes to listening to an album in its entirety, I consider Definitely Maybe to be far superior as the songs join together as a whole to reflect a real sense of buzz, energy and vigour. Music had become rather dull during this period and Oasis gave it a kick up the ass, a burst of life that is reflected in the album as a whole, not just a couple of songs.

Like London Calling, Definitely Maybe is somewhat of a culteral statement and a reflection of the times, and it is this which makes it a better album than the ultimately rather empty and unsatisfying Morning Glory.

Great post snoops, great post

Please. NO MORE talk of Oasis. You may discuss proper bands, but not this Oasis or Smiths nonsense. Right?

Tikay the bands in question may not be rock legends like The Who, Led Zeppelin or even Deep Purple but the have contributed a lot to the generations they connected with.

the smiths for example was just timing genius, there was a whole generation of jilted teens who didn't quite fit and they completely related to Morrisey's lyrics and the moody soundtrack offered by a breakthrough band, Willie Russel explains it a lot better than i ever could in his book "the wrong Boy"

Oasis did something similar as there was a huge gap in the musical market of 1993 - 1994, techno tunes were dominating the charts and here comes this band with a rough, badly organised mess that somehow makes a fantastic song ( live forever). 

Ohh I had to delete a whole paragraph there, i was comparing Oasis or Led Zeppelin and I realised I was being bloody daft, as good as oasis are or have been they are no patch on Zep.   :blonde:

I did have an interesting conversation tonight about the Jimmi Hendrix experience, now what a Band that was, only as it had Jimmi in the band  lol

Yeah, you tell im! Don't let him bully you, Billy.

I'm afraid it seems that a whole generation have been hoodwinked. If they really think The Smiths & Oass had talent, had a "message" (apart from "we are unoriginal crap & yet you still buy our material") then it seems to me - just my opinion, like - that they must have missed out on something in life.

Max Bygraves would turn in his grave.

Tony, Have you ever listened to oasis's Slide away when reminicing about a relationship gone wrong?, Or joined in with a group of friends whilst chanting the lyrics to Panic by the smiths directing the main chorus towards the DJ booth.

Its a generational thing.



For example you must have been about 60 / 70 ish when stairway to heaven was realeased, no doubt you thought that was uninspired nonsense too ;scarymoment; They openly admited they lifted their inspiration from the blues artists of old.

As for Max Bygraves, he had his best days on Family Fortunes  :D

Tiaky is right.  How could the likes of the Smiths and Oasis compete with lyrical masterpieces such as this:

 You're a pink toothbrush, I'm a blue toothbrush
Have we met somewhere before?
You're a pink toothbrush and I think toothbrush
That we met by the bathroom door.

Glad to meet toothbrush, such a sweet toothbrush
How you thrill me through and through
Dont be hard toothbrush on a soft toothbrush
'Cause I cant help loving you.

Every time I hear you whistle...... it makes my nylon bristle.......

You're a pink toothbrush, I'm a blue toothbrush
Won't you marry me in haste?
I'll be true toothbrush, just to you toothbrush
When we both use the same toothpaste.


And I don't think Max will be turning in his grave - he's still alive ain't he!?!

only just seen this.
bolt everytime i read your posts the more i think we are the same person.
ive seen oasis 5 times live and without question the songs from morning glory get the best reaction everytime.

trust me, there's no other quite like bolt