Title: Two Poker Situations Post by: Tank Maestro on October 20, 2006, 01:36:28 AM I want to know how you would play AK in this situation, would you do same pre flop re raise and what would you do after flop.
Seat 1: cruellade (2010 in chips) Seat 2: Costy (1420 in chips) Seat 3: ROOKIE21 (1450 in chips) Seat 4: padiddy (1430 in chips) Seat 5: Mrrios (1980 in chips) Seat 6: kieranmah (1081 in chips) Seat 7: Billham (1476 in chips) Seat 8: jontickle (1391 in chips) Seat 9: wgfunk (1351 in chips) Seat 10: L2theB (1430 in chips) ROOKIE21: posts small blind 15 padiddy: posts big blind 30 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to cruellade [Ad Kc] Mrrios: folds kieranmah: calls 30 Billham: raises to 60 jontickle: folds wgfunk: folds L2theB: folds cruellade: raises to 175 Costy: folds ROOKIE21: folds padiddy: folds kieranmah: calls 145 Billham: calls 115 ----- FLOP ----- [Ts 3c 5h] kieranmah: checks Billham: checks cruellade: ?????? Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: Tank Maestro on October 20, 2006, 01:39:47 AM Secondly, would you call here being 95% sure he has 99 or TT
Seat 1: 6_figure (2035 in chips) Seat 2: Bogarde (3200 in chips) Seat 3: cruellade (2930 in chips) Seat 4: jim bond (4125 in chips) Seat 5: lukemoy (2964 in chips) Seat 6: fastfoot (9071 in chips) Seat 7: wgfunk (4038 in chips) Seat 8: Gambler82 (5325 in chips) Seat 9: larey1 (1370 in chips) Seat 10: Tinylight (1008 in chips) Gambler82: posts small blind 75 larey1: posts big blind 150 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to cruellade [5c 5d] Tinylight: folds 6_figure: calls 150 Bogarde: folds cruellade: calls 150 jim bond: folds lukemoy: folds fastfoot: folds wgfunk: raises to 870 Gambler82: folds larey1: folds 6_figure: folds cruellade: ???? Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: bolt pp on October 20, 2006, 01:41:00 AM Secondly, would you call here being 95% sure he has 99 or TT Seat 1: 6_figure (2035 in chips) Seat 2: Bogarde (3200 in chips) Seat 3: cruellade (2930 in chips) Seat 4: jim bond (4125 in chips) Seat 5: lukemoy (2964 in chips) Seat 6: fastfoot (9071 in chips) Seat 7: wgfunk (4038 in chips) Seat 8: Gambler82 (5325 in chips) Seat 9: larey1 (1370 in chips) Seat 10: Tinylight (1008 in chips) Gambler82: posts small blind 75 larey1: posts big blind 150 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to cruellade [5c 5d] Tinylight: folds 6_figure: calls 150 Bogarde: folds cruellade: calls 150 jim bond: folds lukemoy: folds fastfoot: folds wgfunk: raises to 870 Gambler82: folds larey1: folds 6_figure: folds cruellade: ???? insta fold Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: bolt pp on October 20, 2006, 01:48:22 AM I want to know how you would play AK in this situation, would you do same pre flop re raise and what would you do after flop. Seat 1: cruellade (2010 in chips) Seat 2: Costy (1420 in chips) Seat 3: ROOKIE21 (1450 in chips) Seat 4: padiddy (1430 in chips) Seat 5: Mrrios (1980 in chips) Seat 6: kieranmah (1081 in chips) Seat 7: Billham (1476 in chips) Seat 8: jontickle (1391 in chips) Seat 9: wgfunk (1351 in chips) Seat 10: L2theB (1430 in chips) ROOKIE21: posts small blind 15 padiddy: posts big blind 30 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to cruellade [Ad Kc] Mrrios: folds kieranmah: calls 30 Billham: raises to 60 jontickle: folds wgfunk: folds L2theB: folds cruellade: raises to 175 Costy: folds ROOKIE21: folds padiddy: folds kieranmah: calls 145 Billham: calls 115 ----- FLOP ----- [Ts 3c 5h] kieranmah: checks Billham: checks cruellade: ?????? This early in a stt? I like the pre flop re raise and am definitely fireing the flop Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: thetank on October 20, 2006, 01:53:04 AM If its an STT with the AK I dislike the pre-flop raise, and definately don't like firing on the flop.
Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: bolt pp on October 20, 2006, 01:56:19 AM If its an STT with the AK I dislike the pre-flop raise, and definately don't like firing on the flop. O.K, Imagine you did re-raise pre flop, you're not fireing that flop after its checked to you? Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: jezza777 on October 20, 2006, 01:56:26 AM I think it is a crypto mtt 1500 starting chips . I dont mind the play so far I dont bet the flop tho.
Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: NoflopsHomer on October 20, 2006, 02:02:15 AM If its an STT with the AK I dislike the pre-flop raise, and definately don't like firing on the flop. ;iagree; but it's a mtt, I still don't like the re-raise because you can't push people off anything on crypto early on with commiting most of your stack (and even then that's sometimes not enough! - I'll save my 50p for another time though :D). Just call the min-raise because when you do hit, the smaller aces and kings always pay you off. Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: bolt pp on October 20, 2006, 02:08:44 AM If its a crytpo stt then i'm even more inclined to play it strong.
The guys that double the blinds from form early on a crypto medium level stt nearly always have a marginal hand kq, a10, ect, or an absolute monster and are willing to let everyone in with it. I dont want a 5 handed pot with my AK even if it is early in a tourney, your in front pre flop and letting worse players catch up for free and losing the value of your hand, i want to isolate one player or make the guys that are willing to get there chips in to catch up pay to do so. If theyre sesible players you can represent a big hand on the flop after the pre flop raise and make a medium pocket pair fold, conversly kq who loves his hand pre flop whatever the action will fold, if your behind they're more than happy to let you know! Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: thetank on October 20, 2006, 02:30:11 AM If its an STT with the AK I dislike the pre-flop raise, and definately don't like firing on the flop. O.K, Imagine you did re-raise pre flop, you're not fireing that flop after its checked to you? No, not against 2 opponents early in an STT. Chips are to precious to be playing poker with. I'll save them for the cinch double ups, and the free chips pre-flop later on. If I'm in a game where I'll need to get involved like this, I'm in the wrong game. Anyway, it's an MTT so yeah, hell yeah, fire in a 1/2ish pot sized bet on that flop. Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: thetank on October 20, 2006, 02:33:47 AM Just call the min-raise because when you do hit, the smaller aces and kings always pay you off. Thats where I'm at. The previous answer was if for some reason I'd re-rizzumed pre-flop. Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: thetank on October 20, 2006, 02:37:55 AM Secondly, would you call here being 95% sure he has 99 or TT Dunno how you get that kinda lock read online when he's just made one singular betting action pre-flop, but if you do, and you reckon theres a good chance he'll fold to an overcard landing on the flop, then yeah, hell yeah, call and push him off a flop he won't like the look of. Do you trust your read enough to fold on a 59T flop? Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: bolt pp on October 20, 2006, 02:38:26 AM If its an STT with the AK I dislike the pre-flop raise, and definately don't like firing on the flop. O.K, Imagine you did re-raise pre flop, you're not fireing that flop after its checked to you? No, not against 2 opponents early in an STT. Chips are to precious to be playing poker with. I'll save them for the cinch double ups, and the free chips pre-flop later on. If I'm in a game where I'll need to get involved like this, I'm in the wrong game. What about if you had AA? your reasoning behind saying you wouldnt bet the flop after re raising pre flop makes me think that you havnt really embraced the idea that you've already re raised pre flop. On that flop i play the hand like i had AA after its checked to me and ive re raised pre flop and if they can bt AK they'll be shipping there chips in screaming out the value of there hand with a check raise and i fold. You have the equity of being able to represent a big pp after the pre flop action, which any half decent player will note and fold a meduim or small pocket pair. If i get a flat call i'm giving the hand up, even if an ace or king drops because any strengh from my opponent there after will undoubtably be trips, A,10 or K,10 edit- lol just saw that you've edited and adressed the point raised in my first paragraph. Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: thetank on October 20, 2006, 02:56:42 AM That sounds a lot like poker to me.
You need to embrace the idea that this is an STT we're talking about, we don't play that game. :D Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: Tank Maestro on October 20, 2006, 12:28:11 PM In the first one I bet out 300 on the flop Billiham flat called then checked to me Turn was a J I check behind praying for a queen it comes a 4 and I give the pot up after he bet out, most likely he had TT.
2nd hand I called with the intention of taking it off him if flop came favourable I thought I had a hude edge knowing what his hand was but no need the flop came 544 and I doubled up through his 99. Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: thetank on October 20, 2006, 12:42:10 PM So would you have folded on a 59T flop?
Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: Mbuna on October 20, 2006, 01:03:31 PM Just trying to get my head round this. On the second hand
You called with odds of about 1.9:1 KNOWING you were a 4:1 dog (95% certain) and got lucky by flopping a monster. sorry if am i missing something but it doesn't seem to have even any implied odds. Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: thetank on October 20, 2006, 01:16:20 PM Any flop containing two overcards (AQ4, KJ7 etc) is his with a bet. Maybe even a solitary A will do.
Not planning on going to showdown, so the odds of whose hand will be best don't really matter. Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: Tank Maestro on October 20, 2006, 01:40:05 PM In all honestly thetank I would probably say no because with both a 9t being on board I would have questioned my original judgement because the chances of him having those hole cards would have decreased on that flop. Maybe in the world series I fold but not in a £20 mtt I would have to see.
Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: Mbuna on October 20, 2006, 02:01:09 PM Any flop containing two overcards (AQ4, KJ7 etc) is his with a bet. Maybe even a solitary A will do. Yep I understood that bit, but his play could also easily be with AA KK QQ JJ AK maybe even AQ.In which case we would normally be in a world of pain. I suppose i am asking (querying) that putting an opponent on only 2 hands ie 99 or TT is really possible unless you can actually see his cards.Not planning on going to showdown, so the odds of whose hand will be best don't really matter. Title: Re: Two Poker Situations Post by: SupaMonkey on October 20, 2006, 02:46:14 PM On the first one, i think your preflop reraise makes the postflop and later streets play difficult because of the size of the pot relative to your stack. I would have preferred to flat call preflop and stick in a bet on the flop.
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