Title: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: Newmanseye on October 21, 2006, 09:41:50 AM Given the US Governments recent bill and the controversy surrounding it and how the effects ripple throughought the globe,
I have to question just how free a land is where a government can take measures to restrict how an individual spends their hard earned money when its in the pursuit of nun in a completely legal and harmless fashion. Now Correct me if I am wrong " i probably am" but could this be viewed as a breech civil rights. In reality no one is harmed from the online gaming industry ( with theexception of the minority of Degenerate Gamblers ). What would the great British public do if our government tried to impose a Backdoor ban on online poker? I'd love to hear some opinions on this one. Cheers Billy. Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: madasahatstand on October 21, 2006, 09:49:17 AM i dont think we are as brainwashed as america and there are not so many staunch religious beliefs here. we dont tend to attach religion to politics although tony blair tried it a few months back and was laughed down.
i really dont think scotland england ireland or wales would go down that road. it would be a restriction on civil liberties. as you point out, you should be able to do anything you want so long as it doesnt hurt others. im surprised they got away with it in american but i think it really does come down to the religious political aspects. Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: ACE2M on October 21, 2006, 09:57:20 AM It is because the governance of America is always dictated by large wealthy groups who orchastrate elections and then effectively have control of the most powerful coutry in the world. Some people somewhere are simply losing out to the money going abroad, so a word in someones ear (and a lot of dollars in one form or another) can solve the problem.
Bush is simply a puppet which i think is clear to most people but it is the same for all US presidents and slowly this country is sliding that way to. Is this a restriction of freedom? I think it is the absolute pinnacle of a free society that allows this to happen so blatantly. Money rules. Fortunately britain still has a strong enough system of government and opposition voices can be heard so it just wouldn't happen hear. Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: snoopy1239 on October 21, 2006, 09:58:36 AM It would never happen here and I agree what everyone else is saying. It IS a breach of civil rights and displays a gross misuse of political power.
If people want to gamble all their money away, then let them. It's their choice as individuals. Removing online poker doesn't change anything, if the gamblers want to throw their money away, they'll find another way to do it. I just can't believe that Joe Bloggs can't play a $5 STT in America. It's incredible when you think about it. Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: Royal Flush on October 21, 2006, 10:01:08 AM Is being forced to wear a seatbelt i violation of my human rights?
Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: ACE2M on October 21, 2006, 10:02:13 AM Is being forced to wear a seatbelt i violation of my human rights? No, it's sensible law that saves you from dying and me from paying for your hospital care through taxes. Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: Dewi_cool on October 21, 2006, 10:03:21 AM It would never happen here and I agree what everyone else is saying. It IS a breach of civil rights and displays a gross misuse of political power. If people want to gamble all their money away, then let them. It's their choice as individuals. Removing online poker doesn't change anything, if the gamblers want to throw their money away, they'll find another way to do it. I just can't believe that Joe Bloggs can't play a $5 STT in America. It's incredible when you think about it. He can in a casino or card room,which makes it even more ridiculous Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: Claw75 on October 21, 2006, 10:06:18 AM Is being forced to wear a seatbelt i violation of my human rights? I see where you are coming from, but not sure which article of the human rights act this might breach? people not wearing seatbelts in the event of a major crash could be responsible for the death and injury of others, not just themselves, so it seems like a sensible law. Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: Royal Flush on October 21, 2006, 10:07:02 AM Is being forced to wear a seatbelt i violation of my human rights? No, it's sensible law that saves you from dying and me from paying for your hospital care through taxes. Why can't i gamble at the age of 17? Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: Dewi_cool on October 21, 2006, 10:09:13 AM coz your a ;flushy;
Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: ACE2M on October 21, 2006, 10:09:59 AM Is being forced to wear a seatbelt i violation of my human rights? No, it's sensible law that saves you from dying and me from paying for your hospital care through taxes. Why can't i gamble at the age of 17? Because you have to set an age at which you can be considered wise enough to make decisions about doing something that may have harmful consequences for yourself. coz your a ;flushy; and that Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: Claw75 on October 21, 2006, 10:22:44 AM actually, on that point - why is it that 16 year olds can play the lottery but not enter into any other form of gambling?
Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: byronkincaid on October 21, 2006, 10:27:03 AM It breeches some WTO regulations. That may be the best chance we have of getting the americans back.
Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: ACE2M on October 21, 2006, 10:38:04 AM 16 year olds can also have sex but can't watch it at the movies.
Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: MrsLime on October 21, 2006, 11:30:57 AM An 18-year-old in America can smoke, drive a car, pay tax, have sex, get married, start a family, go to war and die for his nation, etc, etc... but he CAN'T HAVE AN ALCOHOLIC DRINK???
What a country! Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: BigTomatoes on October 21, 2006, 07:01:09 PM its the same in this country , you can get married at 16 but if you want to go for a drink and then see a 18 rated movie , you and your wife wont be allowed cos your not old enough
Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: vegaslover on October 21, 2006, 07:35:10 PM It breeches some WTO regulations. That may be the best chance we have of getting the americans back. Unless it suits the US they dont give a **** what WTO regulations get broken.The politicians in the US get away with this B******* because they use the same old twist of ' If you don't agree with us you're not patriotic to your country' At the end of the day the only reason this has come about is because the US don't currently claim taxation from the poker sites. We all know that in a couple of years they will allow sites as long as they register in the US and pay taxes Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: BigTomatoes on October 21, 2006, 10:03:01 PM this act is nothing compared to the patriot act , and the military comissions act now they ARE scary , pretty much abandons the American constitution and the bill of rights. America is not the land of the free , they have a dictator. Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: Claw75 on October 21, 2006, 10:59:25 PM its the same in this country , you can get married at 16 but if you want to go for a drink and then see a 18 rated movie , you and your wife wont be allowed cos your not old enough the other thing that gets me in this country is that you are free to leave education and work full time at 16. You pay your taxes, but you can't vote for the goverment responsible for collecting and spending them for another two years. Title: Re: How free is the "Land of the free"? Post by: Poppet7 on October 22, 2006, 12:50:23 AM Maybe not the same sortof thing but you have to pay adult prices for buses/holidays etc sometimes from age 11... but still not considered an adult until you're 18. Silly.
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