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PokerStars Game #6726496329: Tournament #34224849, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/10/22 - 11:20:03 (ET)
Table '34224849 1' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: lwrunner103 (1085 in chips)
Seat 2: sc00ter182 (2990 in chips)
Seat 4: bmj19 (2175 in chips)
Seat 5: rookieITB (1205 in chips)
Seat 6: kramerica099 (4335 in chips)
Seat 7: 7LES (1710 in chips)
sc00ter182: posts small blind 75
bmj19: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rookieITB [Th Tc]
rookieITB: raises 1055 to 1205 and is all-in
kramerica099: folds
7LES: calls 1205
lwrunner103: folds
sc00ter182: folds
bmj19: folds
*** FLOP *** [6s 8c Jc]
rookieITB said, "lol"
*** TURN *** [6s 8c Jc] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [6s 8c Jc 3s] [8s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rookieITB: shows [Th Tc] (two pair, Tens and Eights)
7LES: shows [Js Kh] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
7LES collected 2635 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2635 | Rake 0
Board [6s 8c Jc 3s 8s]
Seat 1: lwrunner103 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: sc00ter182 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: bmj19 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: rookieITB showed [Th Tc] and lost with two pair, Tens and Eights
Seat 6: kramerica099 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: 7LES showed [Js Kh] and won (2635) with two pair, Jacks and Eights


Question in the title, anything anyone thinks i could do differently? Its turbo, blinds every 5 mins. Also, would you make his call?

I don't think u done anything wrong and I would have called had I been LES7 I would have probably put u on a small PP with the push though and would have convinced myself in 10 secs we where in a race.

Unlucky rooks, thetank is I think the real expert here for this situation. But it's a deffo push and only a mug calls for 3/4's of his stack with KJo, he's praying he might be in a race. In the turbos I find no matter what amount of skill you have, unless you get a card rush early, you have to win at least one coin flip to cash.

So you gamble away most of your stack hoping you're racing?

Far too much uncertainty for me. Easy pass.

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In a turbo tourney I do.  As you say unless you get a card rush early or indeed accumulate chips your dead in the water. 

I mean they have already played 3 levels this is the 4th, the guy could have been getting nuffin and this maybe the best hand he has picked up we don't know.  But with 3 playres down and someone pushes pre flop I am prepared to gamble with my KJ in this situation.

Absolutely nothing wrong Rookie,

And i dont even blink when i muck the rubbish KJ here if im the "villain"

its not a turbo in a true sense, its just that the blinds go up every 5 mins not 10,  There can still be a bit of play in these

Oh yeah plenty of play. I often basically blind down until we get into the 100/200 stages before i start worrying and making moves.

 ;frustrated;

Easy push.

Easy pass.

Ok then... you all push here too right?

PokerStars Game #6727035699: Tournament #34227821, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/10/22 - 12:22:31 (ET)
Table '34227821 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: chaser2 (1075 in chips)
Seat 4: rookieITB (965 in chips)
Seat 5: alebcbtc (1980 in chips)
Seat 6: mykthesith (1887 in chips)
Seat 7: confiteor (2792 in chips)
Seat 8: kramerica099 (4801 in chips)
confiteor: posts small blind 75
kramerica099: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rookieITB [7s 7c]
chaser2: folds
rookieITB: raises 815 to 965 and is all-in
alebcbtc: folds
mykthesith: calls 965
confiteor: folds
kramerica099: folds
*** FLOP *** [4d 8h 5c]
rookieITB said, "wtf"
*** TURN *** [4d 8h 5c] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [4d 8h 5c Ks] [4s]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rookieITB: shows [7s 7c] (two pair, Sevens and Fours)
mykthesith: shows [Ah 8c] (two pair, Eights and Fours)
mykthesith collected 2155 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 2155 | Rake 0
Board [4d 8h 5c Ks 4s]
Seat 1: chaser2 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: rookieITB showed [7s 7c] and lost with two pair, Sevens and Fours
Seat 5: alebcbtc folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: mykthesith (button) showed [Ah 8c] and won (2155) with two pair, Eights and Fours
Seat 7: confiteor (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: kramerica099 (big blind) folded before Flop


Just had another, do you call the all in on the flop?

PokerStars Game #6727045282: Tournament #34227756, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2006/10/22 - 12:23:34 (ET)
Table '34227756 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: machado28 (3575 in chips)
Seat 3: elmagopr (1575 in chips)
Seat 5: rookieITB (2380 in chips)
Seat 6: Drayle (3630 in chips)
Seat 7: poketang (2340 in chips)
poketang: posts small blind 75
machado28: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to rookieITB [Ah Kh]
elmagopr: folds
rookieITB: raises 300 to 450
Drayle: calls 450
poketang: folds
machado28: folds
*** FLOP *** [As Tc 4d]
rookieITB: bets 450
Drayle: raises 2730 to 3180 and is all-in
rookieITB: calls 1480 and is all-in
poketang said, "vvnh"
*** TURN *** [As Tc 4d] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [As Tc 4d Ac] [2c]
rookieITB said, "sick flop"
*** SHOW DOWN ***
rookieITB: shows [Ah Kh] (three of a kind, Aces)
Drayle: shows [4c 4s] (a full house, Fours full of Aces)
Drayle collected 4985 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4985 | Rake 0
Board [As Tc 4d Ac 2c]
Seat 1: machado28 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: elmagopr folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: rookieITB showed [Ah Kh] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 6: Drayle (button) showed [4c 4s] and won (4985) with a full house, Fours full of Aces
Seat 7: poketang (small blind) folded before Flop

The first one I follow the looney about every table he plays and take his cash off him.

2nd one I call, won't push if i have a set so I put him on a weak ace.

Whats different with the 77 vs A8, and the 10 10 vs JK???? Why have you different opinions on both?

Just run the first one through SnGPT, assuming a 'loose' calling range for the other players and 'maniac' calling range for the guy who called.

EV fold = $45.85
EV push = $53.10

Based on that, its a fairly clear push as the EV difference is fairly significant.

Sheriff

I just don't like a call in that situation with A 8.  KJ has more possibilitiies.  Even if he puts you on a low pair its possible you may be holding something like 9's to J's then he only has one over card. 

If we use the same scenario as the first one I would have put you on something like 2's through to 7's on the first hand and I think my two overcards are strong and in this type of tourney I am willing to gamble against you here.

The 8 kicker with an Ace is very weak and even if he puts you on an Ace he has to think you have him outkicked.

Sherriff has done the icm on the first one with SNGPT, im damn sure this is an inexploitable push. No matter who you are playing and what there calling ranges are pushing it all in is the best play and will win long term.

2nd one is tighter but i think this is a push as well. Assuming the table is not maniacal its +ev.

Aaaah its like being on 2+2.

1010 Vs KJ


I agree. Although still 75/150, your pocket tens are too strong to pass, and chips are too precious to play it with anything other than a push.

When your opponent made a bad call, it was bad for you too. Good for every player not involved in the hand.

STTs are strange like that. Many many times a situation will crop up when someone makes a horrible play, but it doesn't do any good in the long run for the other guy in the hand. The benfeactors of all that EV KJ gave up are the 4 other players in the game, scatching their arses.

Short enough with 77 for that to be a push too. (We probably wouldnt if we had more chips though.

With the AK, why did you bet less than half the pot? I'm assuming its becasue you wanted a weaker ace to raise you. When that happens, you've no other real option than to call.

A pre-flop push is a bit much with the AK, too many chips for that and the blinds dont justify it yet. (One more level and I am though)


So could you have done anything differently?....I wouldn't have.

You may want to address why you're so short at 75/150 in the 77 example. You've not been "seeing flops" have you? ::)

Lol, thanks for your comments. I promise i havent sir, but to be on the safe side i shall check the hand history for that game right away sir and report back with my findings!

right away means tomorrow night/afternoon

Tank, do you find that when the antes start to kick in (100/200/25 I believe) is the best place to put the pedal to the metal?

"It depends" ::)

Sometimes the players leave quickly, and because you're 5/6 handed at 75/150, the medium blinds will kill you quicker. Waiting for the antes to kick in here would be a suicidal strategy.

Other times, youve won a nice pot or two early on, and the table is still full, or near to it at the 100/200 level. Here its ok to wait a bit past the 100/200 25ante level.

But otherwise, yes. The 100/200 25 ante level is a usually a good time to start kicking it.