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I normally shrug this sort of stuff off, but considering the amount of money involved was not happy.

I got nearly 7k for 4th but would have been a nice chip leader with 21k up for grabs, two of the other players including the guy who called this were weak players to say the least.

Oh and I'm Andr3w.

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Game ID 604223848 starting - 2006-10-23 01:49:04
** $70,000 GTD $100 Rebuy[1047379]:Table 23 [Multi Table Hold 'em] (20000.00|40000.00 No Limit - MTT) Real Money

- fishermin sitting in seat 5 with $490380.28
- paulycl sitting in seat 6 with $238325.86
- HEILANCOO sitting in seat 7 with $226371.14 [Dealer]
- Andr3w sitting in seat 9 with $274922.72

Andr3w posted the small blind - $10000.00
fishermin posted the big blind - $20000.00

** Dealing card to Andr3w: Ace of Clubs, Ace of Hearts
paulycl folded
HEILANCOO folded
Andr3w raised - $60000.00
fishermin called - $60000.00

** Dealing the flop: 8 of Diamonds, 4 of Clubs, Jack of Clubs
Andr3w went all-in - $224922.72
fishermin called - $224922.72
fishermin shows: 6 of Clubs, 8 of Clubs

** Dealing the turn: 10 of Diamonds

** Dealing the river: 6 of Spades
fishermin wins $569845.44 from the main pot

End of game 604223848

After the flop you are coin flippy here, so not a really bad beat .....( your are only slight favourite like 54% to 46%)
You are in SB, so he thinks you are on steal, when he sees the flop he decides to take the risk...... not so sure I would call it myself, but if he wins this hand he will be in a great shape, if he loses, he will be still in a tourney(just about)
Do you think a check raise would be possible there? 

IMO Bad beats start from 68% upwards.

are you not a slight dog ?

2 8s  3 6s 8 clubs

No, tantrum is right.

Yes true not really a bad beat, I was just miffed he called and busted me and I needed a moan about it. No way I would gamble on the flop with so much money at stake. He still if he calls an all in he definately calls a check raise I think. To be honest he was a pretty poor player and was taking huge coin flips at every opportunity and obviously hitting the key ones. From 2 tables out when he had a decent amount of chips he kept moving all in with stuff like KJ and A8 and getting lucky, I suppose I just like to see the proper players win rather than those who rely on luck too much.

I call in his seat :D

I call too... i would be calling the 40000 more preflop to TBH... dont underestimate the power of 68 sooooooted

me too.

djin got busted out in monte carlo by a similar type situation and intially your outraged by the call but working it out it's almost 50/50 and as the big stack i take that oppotunity to bust someone out everytime.

I don't call pre flop, 60k is a lot with those stacks. However once the flop comes down and you just push for 2x pot then its an easy call. I am expecting to be ahead a large % of the time anyway.

I'm assuming the overbet on the flop was to make it look like a bluff so cant complain about the call.

Hi, i hope you are not referring to me as a bad player andrew, as i played good solid poker in that tournament and would like if your post would clarify. I thot fishermin was as his name suggests but as you well know AA doesn't stand up too well on Ladbrokes, fair enough he made a loose call pre but i too would push with that flop. We all take bad beats (sum better than others, me included, prone to the occasional blowup ;o)  ) as part of the game, move on, and maybe next time play ur AA stronger pre and the "fish" won't call with 68 soooooooooooted. Good luck.

Coo

 :hello: Heilancoo

Don't worry too much about jsutifing your play. The only person who needs to know what you're doing is yourself.
I never mind taking torrents of abuse, so long as I win the tournament, every other entrant is free to feel what they like.


Is this because players are quite loose there?

A statement like that might draw a bit of ridicule if not clarified.

Hi Heil,

I didn't mean to cause offence mate, I only played with you in the final stages and I identified you as someone I wanted to play hands against because of a couple of plays you made with 33, bad player is the wrong phrase sorry, I was just p1ssed off this morning still when I posted. Fishermin was the true fish on the table and he rode his luck from 3 tables out.

I probably shouldn't have posted this but I was just letting my frustration out because of the amount of money involved. At the end of the day I wanted fishermin to call my bet on the flop and he caught me, thats poker as they say!

Lets move on

Once he sees the flop he cant really pass, he is only a big dog to a set and with 120k already in the pot he should call even if he sees your hand first. He still has a slight chance to ahead as your shove could be a panic bet with AK, AQ.

I also think his preflop call is ok, He has to call 40k more, less than 10% of his stack, to see a flop with 120k now in the middle, with a hand that is unllikely to domiated and deceptive when he hits. Also he has position and can win the hand if u miss (obv he doesnt know u have AA) but generally. You were unlucky he hit the flop pretty hard but thats the way it goes sometimes and these do always seem to sting more when its deep in a comp

Hi, i would like to justify the 33 hands, the one knocking out loop8, i think it was a justifiable play with any pair, i raised 4 x BB from SB and he pushed for another 60K from BB with what i thought to be AK or AQ, i called because i allready have a made hand, fair enough not a great one but still favourite pre over AK, as i would still have 60K i thought it was an inflection point for me and was willing to gamble to try and build a stack to win the tournament. The other one was against a much shorter stack who had allready pushed all in with not much in the way of bets before, as you say people go mad nearer the end of tournaments and push with anything, so again i took a gamble, fortunatly for me they both worked out well, next time i probably crash and burn, hey ho. I said at the time you were knocked out you were very unlucky, as you were, loose call by the other player and he hit a dream flop for his holding, he has to call. Better luck next time i guess, but if you see me go all in in the future from the SB it will make you think won't it.  8)

Good luck in the future, Coo

Hi, ty the tank, just thought ut might be good to justify those plays, see what u think.

As far as the AA not holding up, it always seems to lose for me being caught by lower set or 2 pair, maybe because you just expect it to win more than it does. Ask any ladbrokes player and i think they will tell you similar stories of AA KK hands. Maybe i'm just a bit paranoid from past over indulgences.
Coo

40k would be ok but the HH says, i believe 60k

is that not total?, woodsey needs to confirm if he made it 60k total or 80k total preflop, if he called 60k more than that would be marginal and id probably fold

It was a standard 3xBB raise of 40k up to 60k.

TBH the reason I was gutted because the laddies software puts the Turn and river cards down quite quickly and I was focussed on him not hitting the flush and thought I'd won until the chips went in the opposite direction!!!