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My moving up to 50c/$1 isn't going too well.  I've lost two hands tonight that have cost me loads.  This is the 2nd.  It's not a bad beat, I don't do bad beats anymore.  I didn't win but just want to know if I did anything wrong. 


PokerStars Game #6743062291:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.50/$1.00) - 2006/10/23 - 18:12:06 (ET)
Table 'Melete IV' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: knecht_poker ($156.85 in chips)
Seat 2: Graham0573 ($61.50 in chips)
Seat 3: Randio ($36 in chips)
Seat 4: Inge Rik ($80.40 in chips)
Seat 5: Mplunket ($102.55 in chips)
Seat 6: djlucas69 ($91.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Mr. Carlisle ($40.55 in chips)
Seat 9: dennisa ($19 in chips)
knecht_poker: posts small blind $0.50
Graham0573: posts big blind $1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Graham0573 [As Qd]
Adrian20XX leaves the table
Randio: calls $1
Inge Rik: folds
Mplunket: folds
djlucas69: folds
Mr. Carlisle: folds
dennisa: folds
stunnersuh joins the table at seat #8
knecht_poker: calls $0.50
Graham0573: raises $2 to $3
Randio: folds
knecht_poker: calls $2
*** FLOP *** [4h 8s Qc]
knecht_poker: checks
Graham0573: bets $5
knecht_poker: calls $5
*** TURN *** [4h 8s Qc] [Ac]
knecht_poker: checks
Graham0573: bets $10
knecht_poker: calls $10
*** RIVER *** [4h 8s Qc Ac] [Kd]
knecht_poker: bets $45
Graham0573: calls $43.50 and is all-in
*** SHOW DOWN ***
knecht_poker: shows [Ad Kh] (two pair, Aces and Kings)
Graham0573: mucks hand
knecht_poker collected $121 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $124 | Rake $3
Board [4h 8s Qc Ac Kd]
Seat 1: knecht_poker (small blind) showed [Ad Kh] and won ($121) with two pair, Aces and Kings
Seat 2: Graham0573 (big blind) mucked [As Qd]
Seat 3: Randio folded before Flop
Seat 4: Inge Rik folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Mplunket folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: djlucas69 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: Mr. Carlisle folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: dennisa (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)


Perhaps a little weak on the flop and turn in betting?  They are almost pot sized bets though.

unlucky

Seriously it's not meant as a bad beat story, I'm trying hard to improve and this was an important hand to me.

Very unlucky Graham.

Bet on turn could've been bigger ($10 into a $16 pot) but I don't think you are getting rid of him, even if you bet the pot.

The only question you could ask on the river is what is his likely holding for a push.
Given the strength you have shown, and the board, it is unlikely he would think a single pair was good (AJ for instance).

Therefore he is likely to be either on a bluff, or has at least 2 pair.
I would almost certainly call this, but be half expecting to see a hand that has me beat.

Jak.

Cheers guys :)   I didn't mean to imply you were being flippant Jezza, sorry mate, I was just saying :) 

I guess I should have bet more on the river to get rid of him.  Once the turn came I can't see him folding to any bet.   Like you said, just unlucky I guess.  I was just disapointed as it's the first night at playing this level and generally I thought I was playing ok.

Since then, I've managed to get back most of my losses for the night anyway, currently down $50 still but it's better than it was :D

yep, after calling the flop, this guy is going nowhere, so unlucky...

how come if you are going all in to his bet you can't bet anymore. and he would call anyway.

But the hand aside, I think it is good to ask why did he decided to call your bet on the flop in the first place, and the turn? Also what image do you have at the table?


If you can answer those questions, you will milk this guy in no time.......

I thought I had a tight image.  I'd not played much and I'd certainly not raised preflop much.  Was playing very tight.  Hadn't been caught stealing and the only hands I'd won they'd seen and I'd not made unreasonable bets with them.

Table image is something I'm very curious about.  I tend to spot others images okish I think but as to what my image is, I can only guess.

Being aware of your table image is a good skill.  Let's say you have been dealt KK/AA/AK AQ  every orbit.  It happens that you are dealt those cards every time you are on the button.  Do you think BB will believe you that you've been dealt those hands? Probably to them you will look like a blind thief.....   Sometimes you are dealt absolute rubbish and for some reason you have decided not to get involved into pots for a while, and let's assume that in a meanitme you got bored and decided to make yourself cup of tea and p/f for 3 rounds, your table image will be of tight person.

Remembering your actions and your betting patterns is as important as paying attention to the other players' play.

Obviously its a very unfortunate river card, once he calls the flop there is no chance your getting him off when the ace hits.

What hand did you put him on here when your betting out the turn? I think in some instances checking behind him on the turn is a possibly good line, unless he is a maniac im not sure how many hands he could be playing here that you have dominated. There is a chance of a pocket pair less than Queens I would rule out some due to the preflop play or there is a chance he has a set already and if he had flopped it thats how it could have played out.

It gives him a chance to bluff on the river with a lesser hand which he would do with any ace and any pocket pair you could beat.

Looking at the hand again its scary as hell when he all of a sudden after being passive bets out but at this point its hard to throw it away. Its hard to put him on AK given the action and the call on the flop.

Glad to hear you won most of it back though  8)

Graham i think the trick in cash is to have a large bankroll for the stakes that you are playing so these unfortunate situations don't bother you, the trick if to just huff and puff a little and move on to the next hand. 

Having said that i am $6k down on cash this year so its up to you whether u listen or not :D   

I don't think you did anything wrong.

Personally, I would have checked on the Flop as it's such an innocent one, that way he won't put you on top pair and might either bluff on one of the other streets or pay you off with a smaller pair. Also, if he's trapping with a set, it keeps the pot small. You know you've probably got him, but he'll have no idea where he stands.

The only card you need to worry about is a King. Of course you give him a free card if he has a pocket pair, but he'll only have two cards to hit thereby making your loss if he was to hit nowhere near as big as the profit you can make by checking and making value bets. (long run that is)

I don't see anything wrong with betting the Turn. To me, it's a value bet that you need to make and I think the amount you bet was fine, it's just unlucky he he hit one of his three outs. It's very hard to put him on A-K because he smooth called pre-flop, so I would have put him on a pocket pair. Two overcards means he'll have third pair at best, so I would have value betted small to keep him in and then value bet the River.

That's just my own personal style though. Each to their own, not too much wrong with what you did.