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Title: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: Pab on October 24, 2006, 12:46:44 AM PokerStars Game #6744206709: Tournament #34146360, $50+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (4000/8000) - 2006/10/23 - 19:42:34 (ET)
Table '34146360 31' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: Tmay420 (344344 in chips) Seat 2: Bry23 (155086 in chips) Seat 3: Paolo69 (485075 in chips) Seat 5: SJCX (72778 in chips) Seat 6: Jmaxime (104640 in chips) Seat 7: jamb0ne (408845 in chips) Seat 8: psycho0 (115514 in chips) Seat 9: hldmplayr (71718 in chips) Tmay420: posts the ante 400 Bry23: posts the ante 400 Paolo69: posts the ante 400 SJCX: posts the ante 400 Jmaxime: posts the ante 400 jamb0ne: posts the ante 400 psycho0: posts the ante 400 hldmplayr: posts the ante 400 SJCX: posts small blind 4000 Jmaxime: posts big blind 8000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Paolo69 [Kh Qd] jamb0ne: folds psycho0: folds hldmplayr: folds Tmay420: folds Bry23: folds Paolo69: raises 476675 to 484675 and is all-in SJCX: folds Jmaxime: calls 96240 and is all-in *** FLOP *** [4c 9h 3s] *** TURN *** [4c 9h 3s] [8s] *** RIVER *** [4c 9h 3s 8s] [5s] Tmay420 said, "ty gg" *** SHOW DOWN *** Jmaxime: shows [3d Ad] (a pair of Threes) Paolo69: shows [Kh Qd] (high card King) Jmaxime collected 215680 from pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 215680 | Rake 0 Board [4c 9h 3s 8s 5s] Seat 1: Tmay420 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: Bry23 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Paolo69 (button) showed [Kh Qd] and lost with high card King Seat 5: SJCX (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 6: Jmaxime (big blind) showed [3d Ad] and won (215680) with a pair of Threes Seat 7: jamb0ne folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 8: psycho0 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: hldmplayr folded before Flop (didn't bet) Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on October 24, 2006, 02:07:00 AM bah, stop whining - you just took it down! :D
Anyway, no i wouldnt. But i know that they love to call from SB and BB with the weakest of aces. Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: jezza777 on October 24, 2006, 02:09:32 AM not insta but its close
Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: NoflopsHomer on October 24, 2006, 02:13:21 AM Works better with AK. ;)
I think a standard raise is better here, they're less likely to push. Shortstacks can't resist an overbet to lump it in with A-rag, great for disguising your monsters against them. :) Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: boldie on October 24, 2006, 09:16:03 AM Works better with AK. ;) I think a standard raise is better here, they're less likely to push. Shortstacks can't resist an overbet to lump it in with A-rag, great for disguising your monsters against them. :) yes it would be an instacall for me. You went all-in and essentially gave shortstack (who desperately needs to push as there's a running ante and all) a shot at doubling up. A sooted Ace would do for me in his position. Also because it looked like a button move, if you had raised upto 40k he probably would have folded. Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: tantrum on October 24, 2006, 09:41:12 AM Not sure this is an insta call for me, as this would depend what I think of you as a player and what kind behaviour you showed prior to this hand.
If I believed that my A3 might be actually ahead, (so I put you on any two paint cards; I would probably called as I am 60% favourite, against connectors coin flippy- i call; and big pairs i am a huge underdog i fold). Very often, stacks with some money will push all in against the shorter stacks on blinds with marginal hands so for a very short stack- A3s looks pretty good here. I am with boldie here, if you raised less, the short stack would probably folded (or pushed all in and you would probably call and the end would be the same) Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: action man on October 24, 2006, 10:09:53 AM im not sure if its a call at all to be fair.
Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: Pab on October 24, 2006, 10:40:50 AM Thanks for the replies, here is what i was thinking at the time,
Its folded to me on the button, i have a big stack, im going to be playing my KQ, just how is the question. Im not limping at this stage of the tournament, my hand figures to be in front vs 2 random hands in the blinds and with the running ante im not gonna give them a free shot to outflop me. The SB has less chips than the BB but in this hand will feel less committed than the guy in the BB as he has 8k invested in this hand already, albeit involuntarily. If i standard raise to 24k or whatever it is, I give the guy in the BB chance to shove on me with some fold equity figuring im just button raising, so he has 2 chaces to win the pot, taking it down preflop or winning at showdown. After putting in the 8k BB he still has 96k in chips so is by no means desperate. The running antes are not as huge on stars as some other sites, full tilt for example. If i move in, he has to call all in for his tournament life, he has to have, or make the best hand in order to win. Im risking over 20% of my stack so im going to have a hand with some showdown value, a pair or broadway cards or an A, im never shoving in with complete junk here. My point is, if he thinks about my range, he is never in a dominating situation, even i have A 2, we chop most of the time, and is a big underdog to all pairs and better A's. I think its a mistake that a lot of ppl make when short stacked, I would much rather fold the A 3 here and shove with 67 a few hands later. This time he turned out to be correct, but i think its a bad call generally in tournaments, he is never in great shape against any hand I hold. Some 1 mentioned if i had connectors, im not pushing in wioth suited connectors here, if they had bigger stacks i may standard raise, but im not risking 20% of my stack with no post-flop with suited connectors in this spot. Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: ifm on October 24, 2006, 10:56:54 AM My first thought would be small to medium PP or even a complete bluff from you Pab, in fact it matters not, even if you showed me your cards i would fold in his position with A3.
I see no reason for calling this bet here as i am only likely to have 1 overcard at best, bad play i think. Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: boldie on October 24, 2006, 01:15:40 PM Thanks for the replies, here is what i was thinking at the time, Its folded to me on the button, i have a big stack, im going to be playing my KQ, just how is the question. Im not limping at this stage of the tournament, my hand figures to be in front vs 2 random hands in the blinds and with the running ante im not gonna give them a free shot to outflop me. The SB has less chips than the BB but in this hand will feel less committed than the guy in the BB as he has 8k invested in this hand already, albeit involuntarily. If i standard raise to 24k or whatever it is, I give the guy in the BB chance to shove on me with some fold equity figuring im just button raising, so he has 2 chaces to win the pot, taking it down preflop or winning at showdown. After putting in the 8k BB he still has 96k in chips so is by no means desperate. The running antes are not as huge on stars as some other sites, full tilt for example. If i move in, he has to call all in for his tournament life, he has to have, or make the best hand in order to win. Im risking over 20% of my stack so im going to have a hand with some showdown value, a pair or broadway cards or an A, im never shoving in with complete junk here. My point is, if he thinks about my range, he is never in a dominating situation, even i have A 2, we chop most of the time, and is a big underdog to all pairs and better A's. I think its a mistake that a lot of ppl make when short stacked, I would much rather fold the A 3 here and shove with 67 a few hands later. This time he turned out to be correct, but i think its a bad call generally in tournaments, he is never in great shape against any hand I hold. Some 1 mentioned if i had connectors, im not pushing in wioth suited connectors here, if they had bigger stacks i may standard raise, but im not risking 20% of my stack with no post-flop with suited connectors in this spot. fair point..but I see where his call comes from. I doubt he would have reraised you if you had stuck in 5x the BB as a raise. Now he's thinking you're justa bully who's after his BB...I think that's why he called. If I had been sitting at your table for a while and you had made a couple of moves on my BB like this I might also have said "OK then big boy, let's see what you've got) Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: temp0r on October 24, 2006, 04:28:03 PM i've been knocked out of too many final tables with KQ..
it's tricky and would depend entirely on payout structure for me. but i agree you can't call it's push or fold with 5 x the BB. Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: Canuck on October 24, 2006, 10:05:05 PM I think its a mistake that a lot of ppl make when short stacked, I would much rather fold the A 3 here and shove with 67 a few hands later. was going to type this until you did. When calling your hand has to hold up. Why risk everything, when next hand you can increase your stack by more then 10% with random cards? Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: JP on October 29, 2006, 03:50:44 PM It's a lame call you know it and I think any1 with half a tourney brain knows it.
Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: booder on October 29, 2006, 03:55:03 PM It's a lame call you know it and I think any1 with half a tourney brain knows it. you have been drinking havn't you ? rotflmfao Title: Re: Would u insta call in his spot? Post by: JP on October 29, 2006, 04:05:31 PM last night yes, no in my hotel room rather bored lol gonna go over and watch some poker and cheer on the yongsta
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