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Title: open ended and double gutshot straight draws Post by: Newmanseye on October 25, 2006, 05:04:49 AM Now tourney strategy for fo DGS and OE straight draws I'm curious, I have got in to a silly habit of just calling to see if i hit, where as before i would utilise the semibluff in most cases to win the pot.
Whats the general opinion on how best to play these draws Title: Re: open ended and double gutshot straight draws Post by: thetank on October 25, 2006, 06:01:53 AM pass
Title: Re: open ended and double gutshot straight draws Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on October 25, 2006, 06:15:21 AM pass :D I thought it might be you who comes up with that one first!! :D Title: Re: open ended and double gutshot straight draws Post by: boldie on October 25, 2006, 09:34:29 AM Now tourney strategy for fo DGS and OE straight draws I'm curious, I have got in to a silly habit of just calling to see if i hit, where as before i would utilise the semibluff in most cases to win the pot. Whats the general opinion on how best to play these draws for me it depends who I play. Against most players I would raise, but against people who you know have hit and will bet no matter whether the flush or straight has been made I flatcall. Title: Re: open ended and double gutshot straight draws Post by: SuffolkPunch on October 25, 2006, 09:38:45 AM Depends if you have the pot odds to play them or not. If you do, then as always you should call. Obviously with a double gutshot you also have the better disguised hand to then capitalise further if you hit.
No point in even trying without the right odds though, or if playing against a low stack when if you do hit the big "prize" at the end of it (ie nicking all his chips) is not that rewarding. Title: Re: open ended and double gutshot straight draws Post by: boldie on October 25, 2006, 09:41:51 AM Depends if you have the pot odds to play them or not. If you do, then as always you should call. Obviously with a double gutshot you also have the better disguised hand to then capitalise further if you hit. No point in even trying without the right odds though, or if playing against a low stack when if you do hit the big "prize" at the end of it (ie nicking all his chips) is not that rewarding. it's always rewarding to nick someones chips. Title: Re: open ended and double gutshot straight draws Post by: SuffolkPunch on October 25, 2006, 09:53:54 AM Depends if you have the pot odds to play them or not. If you do, then as always you should call. Obviously with a double gutshot you also have the better disguised hand to then capitalise further if you hit. No point in even trying without the right odds though, or if playing against a low stack when if you do hit the big "prize" at the end of it (ie nicking all his chips) is not that rewarding. it's always rewarding to nick someones chips. You know what I mean! Title: Re: open ended and double gutshot straight draws Post by: boldie on October 25, 2006, 09:55:23 AM Depends if you have the pot odds to play them or not. If you do, then as always you should call. Obviously with a double gutshot you also have the better disguised hand to then capitalise further if you hit. No point in even trying without the right odds though, or if playing against a low stack when if you do hit the big "prize" at the end of it (ie nicking all his chips) is not that rewarding. it's always rewarding to nick someones chips. You know what I mean! ;) Title: Re: open ended and double gutshot straight draws Post by: ACE2M on October 25, 2006, 09:56:30 AM the question is far to complicated without knowledge of opponent, relative stack sizes, implied odds, your image, your chances of nicking it without catching etc etc.
Title: Re: open ended and double gutshot straight draws Post by: matt674 on October 25, 2006, 10:14:51 AM Now tourney strategy for fo DGS and OE straight draws I'm curious, I have got in to a silly habit of just calling to see if i hit, where as before i would utilise the semibluff in most cases to win the pot. Whats the general opinion on how best to play these draws I'd treat them pretty much the same as flush draws - you have roughly the same number of outs but the beauty of them is that they can be disguised so much better, especially some double belly busters. If my opponent is being the aggressor: First thing to take into account is pot odds, if i have to call what odds am i being offered? Then i take implied odds into account, if i call taking slighlty less than correct pot odds on the flop what are the chances that i will win more money off my opponent if i hit? If no-one has bet the pot and i have the chance to be the aggressor: What are the chances of being able to semi bluff at the pot and the odds of my opponents folding? What are my opponents perceptions of me - if they think i am playing tight/solid then there is more chance that i will get my opponents to fold, if they think i'm playing loose/aggresive then there maybe more chance that somebody will call. Also how is the board looking? If i am going to semi-bluff i need to be able to convince the other players that i've hit some part of the flop, if i've being playing tight and only turning over premium cards like AK i'm going to struggle to convince players that i've hit part of a 3-5-7 rainbow flop. Also i need to decide the standard of my opponents and also how they are playing, if they are of a poor standard and wont understand anything fancy then i usually just stick to ABC poker. If they are calling stations then i'm probably not going to attempt a semi-bluff as i wont be getting the correct odds to make the move worthwhile so i'd rather take the free card and see if i hit. Title: Re: open ended and double gutshot straight draws Post by: byronkincaid on October 25, 2006, 11:23:23 AM good post Matt
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