Title: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: tonysaint on November 02, 2006, 06:25:41 PM Its been a few days since the event, but it is still in my mind so I thought I'd spread my admiration for the poker played by Vu Nguyen. I was on the same table as him all night and seldom have I seen someone get such terrible beats, knocked back four times ( I think ) down to the smallest of chip holdings only to fight back each time and make the final. Well played and well done, and to me the real star of the event. Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: Royal Flush on November 02, 2006, 07:19:18 PM Nice post Tony.
Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: Indestructable on November 02, 2006, 07:50:04 PM Damn I thought this thread was about Flushy. ;whistle;
Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: Complimentary on November 03, 2006, 01:49:45 AM For me the star was Scott Baker. having qualfied through a £5 rebuy satellite, the guy (who also quuaified for the Walsall GP) made some great calls and lay downs during the event.
Emphasising that ther are dozens of players with abillity, just bubbling under, but for a vareity of reasons lacking the required bankroll to commit to play the circuit. Also with regard to this tournament. Blonde's own 'TightEnd' Richard Prew passed QQ when the bubble was imminent..... discuss Tighty..... Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TightEnd on November 03, 2006, 01:54:13 AM Also with regard to this tournament. Blonde's own 'TightEnd' Richard Prew passed QQ when the bubble was imminent..... discuss Tighty..... on the bubble first to act , with the shortstack all in next hand in the BB with 1xbb apart from that no comment! Scott and Vu both played great It was a pleasure to play with you for 16 hours too Tony. Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TheJumper on November 03, 2006, 04:40:14 AM Hi all, this is Scott AKA 'the jumper' as my local cardroom manager decided to call me sometime back! Thankyou to you all for your pleasant comments it is really appreciated especially from people I admire in the game. I dont feel this was a one off break of luck for me as im confident in my skills for the game but I hope I dont suffer too much bad luck in the events I am now rolled for! I very much enjoyed playing the game and indeed taking advantage of the oh so common 'Who's that muppet' attitude I confront so often from a minority of players. I met/played with and talked to some great people over the weekend and some of the things said to me were hard to accept but extremly kind! I thank you and those people for the complements, advice and encouragement. I also would like to thank the the guy who on the first day refered to me as 'F*IN STUDENT' I enjoyed taking you out after that. And for your information ive never been a student! Anyway my rant is over thankyou again and hope to see some of you in walsall for the masters! 8) Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: snoopy1239 on November 03, 2006, 07:06:54 AM Also with regard to this tournament. Blonde's own 'TightEnd' Richard Prew passed QQ when the bubble was imminent..... discuss Tighty..... on the bubble first to act , with the shortstack all in next hand in the BB with 1xbb Tighty, you're living up to your name. 8) Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: Royal Flush on November 03, 2006, 11:35:35 AM Also with regard to this tournament. Blonde's own 'TightEnd' Richard Prew passed QQ when the bubble was imminent..... discuss Tighty..... on the bubble first to act , with the shortstack all in next hand in the BB with 1xbb Tighty, you're living up to your name. 8) Don't get me started. Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: riverdave on November 03, 2006, 12:20:35 PM Also with regard to this tournament. Blonde's own 'TightEnd' Richard Prew passed QQ when the bubble was imminent..... discuss Tighty..... on the bubble first to act , with the shortstack all in next hand in the BB with 1xbb apart from that no comment! Scott and Vu both played great It was a pleasure to play with you for 16 hours too Tony. With all due respect and knowing your reasons for doing so it is still a truly horrible play. Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TightEnd on November 03, 2006, 12:33:55 PM maybe. I had my reasons.
Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: Royal Flush on November 03, 2006, 12:47:20 PM Also with regard to this tournament. Blonde's own 'TightEnd' Richard Prew passed QQ when the bubble was imminent..... discuss Tighty..... on the bubble first to act , with the shortstack all in next hand in the BB with 1xbb apart from that no comment! Scott and Vu both played great It was a pleasure to play with you for 16 hours too Tony. With all due respect and knowing your reasons for doing so it is still a truly horrible play. A bit like getting AA in for 50k chips, what were you thinking! ;goodvevil; Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: riverdave on November 03, 2006, 01:00:31 PM I understand locking up the 1k Tighty just dont understand the logic of buying in to 500 pound comps and being happy with the 1k by playing like that around the bubble. Ok you turned into a card rack and made a bit of extra progress but most times you wouldn't. In such a top heavy comp you are giving away a lot of equity with this play, if the other short stack had doubled up you would of been cursing yourself as well.
Flushy i think i'm suffering delayed tilt on that beat it probably still hasn't sunk in, could of done with 13k after last week online but good luck to Hoss glad he used it well. Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TightEnd on November 03, 2006, 01:08:55 PM I understand locking up the 1k Tighty just dont understand the logic of buying in to 500 pound comps and being happy with the 1k by playing like that around the bubble. Ok you turned into a card rack and made a bit of extra progress but most times you wouldn't. In such a top heavy comp you are giving away a lot of equity with this play, if the other short stack had doubled up you would of been cursing yourself as well. you are right. At the time/Heat of the Moment I was blinkered to securing the 1k as the short stack was a virtual certain elimination next hand and I didn't want to hand him the 1k by going out there and then. If the short stack had close to the chips of me or had a full round til he had to shove it in, I would have clearly pushed. Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TheJumper on November 03, 2006, 04:30:39 PM Just out of interest would you of passed AA in the same position? Maybe a silly question but I dont know if the reason was more connected to making the final rather than the value of the hand?
Also if the bubble had been paid 500 would you of then pushed? Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TightEnd on November 03, 2006, 04:47:48 PM Just out of interest would you of passed AA in the same position? Maybe a silly question but I dont know if the reason was more connected to making the final rather than the value of the hand? Also if the bubble had been paid 500 would you of then pushed? the decision was related to making the final, so logically yes. Sadly, probably unforgiveably. If it was a decision between 500 and 1000 and not 0 and 1000 then I would have pushed I expect. At the time I had less than 6x bb (having been card dead at the 12th down to 10th stage and being pushed off when I tried a couple of steals making it worse) so my prospects of getting anywhere on the final table were remote. The decision to my mind was clearly between 0 for 10th and 1000 for 9th and not 0 for 10th and x for 8th/7th/6th etc To my mind the extra 4500 chips I would have gained from pushing with QQ and picking up the blinds there had minimal extra equity..having 8x bb not 6x bb entering the final table made no difference to my chip stack relative to the average or 7 of the 8 other remaining players apart from a slither of extra fold equity when I pushed with a marginal hand. Pushing with QQ there and getting looked up and losing to AK/AA/KK whilst a remote possibility was still to my mind at the time not something I would have contemplated with the shortstack on the other table with 1x bb and going into the BB next hand. As it was folding QQ there was a +£1700 decision and I will never know if I had pushed, won the 4500 etc whether than £1700 could have been prizemoney for the top 3. I strongly suspect not though. Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TheJumper on November 03, 2006, 05:13:47 PM Your comments make sense to me anyway, I think based on the chip positions near the final that 4500 would not make much difference to you in the long term although obviosuly we will never know that.
By the way do you dwell holding KK on a 234 flop against the low stack? I found that very bizzare on tonys part. Goodluck for your next tourney Sir Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TightEnd on November 03, 2006, 05:17:47 PM By the way do you dwell holding KK on a 234 flop against the low stack? I found that very bizzare on tonys part. Goodluck for your next tourney Sir I didn't understand Tony's dwell at the time. He trapped me good and proper with a monster and fortunately for him I was all round the flop to commit to it but missed I played with Tony for a long time that 2 days, and we got on well and it was a pleasure to play against him , a tough but fair opponent. Well done too Scott, great result. Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: byronkincaid on November 03, 2006, 05:25:13 PM I think there was a thread about some guy in an online sat who announced he had AA before he went all in cos he was so scared of being out drawn. Can you do that live? Say something like, look guys there's a player on that table just about to bust out, there is only one hand I would possibly do this with. And then push.
Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TightEnd on November 03, 2006, 05:28:08 PM I think there was a thread about some guy in an online sat who announced he had AA before he went all in cos he was so scared of being out drawn. Can you do that live? Say something like, look guys there's a player on that table just about to bust out, there is only one hand I would possibly do this with. And then push. lol I believe if you push, then declare your actual hand, someone can call you and if ruled upon your hand will be declared dead (if you have declared your actual hand. Of course poker being poker, lying is acceptable!) Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: snoopy1239 on November 03, 2006, 07:37:40 PM If you bought in for this comp then I see no excuse in folding.
Also, your explanations seem to exclude the possiblitly of doubling up. Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TightEnd on November 03, 2006, 10:13:39 PM If you bought in for this comp then I see no excuse in folding. Also, your explanations seem to exclude the possiblitly of doubling up. that's because my thought process at the time excluded the possibility too! (no idea why) Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TheJumper on November 04, 2006, 04:59:45 AM I played with Tony for a long time that 2 days, and we got on well and it was a pleasure to play against him , a tough but fair opponent. Oh absolutly, I certainly wasnt disrespecting him. I found it strange but im sure he had his reasons. Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: tonysaint on November 04, 2006, 08:14:21 PM I played with Tony for a long time that 2 days, and we got on well and it was a pleasure to play against him , a tough but fair opponent. Oh absolutly, I certainly wasnt disrespecting him. I found it strange but im sure he had his reasons. Mmmmm. I think I dwelt for a few wrong reasons (1) I genuinely liked playing with many of the people there, but with Richard in particular. I am not quite as bad as Paul Parker but I like a little chat and banter and Richard seemed to tollerate me. I like some social side to the game. Part of me didnt want to have trapped him.... (2) I cannot remember playing with a tighter player ( no criticism ) and when he leapt all in I did think he must have a million outs if not the nuts already - I had not long doubled Jeff up and had a feeling of deja vu - I had been up to over 180k chips and the stack was heading south, and (3) I have made some very quick obvious calls in the past which I wish I hadnt - I have been trying to force myself to think before the obvious ones. I know that has slowed me down but I think that is temporary. I think that Richard will know that my delay wasnt out of disrespect to him. Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TightEnd on November 04, 2006, 08:23:08 PM I knew that tony, no probs
Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: byronkincaid on November 04, 2006, 08:41:46 PM Quote I cannot remember playing with a tighter player I think this whole thread has been set up to get Mr End an image. Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TightEnd on November 04, 2006, 08:46:01 PM I know, except I already have the image. Any self respecting player would be "at it" with abandon for about two months starting now.
There's an idea Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: TheJumper on November 05, 2006, 03:29:30 AM By the way Tony.. You outplayed me during that final! I hope next time we play you are not sat directly to my left! Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: Karabiner on November 05, 2006, 10:47:53 AM If you bought in for this comp then I see no excuse in folding. Also, your explanations seem to exclude the possiblitly of doubling up. that's because my thought process at the time excluded the possibility too! (no idea why) Well you could always take up knitting instead.... Title: Re: The Real Star of The Southern Masters Southampton Post by: tonysaint on November 06, 2006, 09:32:05 PM By the way Tony.. You outplayed me during that final! I hope next time we play you are not sat directly to my left! Except for my call of your K 10 all in with my A Q.......nice river !!! |