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Title: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: Newmanseye on November 03, 2006, 10:54:36 AM
opinions on this please, i was berrated for making  a bad call, I dont really see it as such a bad call seen as I had the chips and it was soooo cheap to call.


Opinions please


MTT Table 1 13035333-35 Holdem No Limit 100/200
[Nov 3 10:43:16] : Hand Start.
[Nov 3 10:43:16] : Seat 2 : newmanseye1 has $6,250
[Nov 3 10:43:16] : Seat 3 : mistthief2u has $1,250
[Nov 3 10:43:16] : Seat 4 : massive h has $2,120
[Nov 3 10:43:16] : Seat 5 : rob6575 has $570
[Nov 3 10:43:16] : Seat 7 : ulladullada has $7,810
[Nov 3 10:43:16] : rob6575 is the dealer.
[Nov 3 10:43:16] : ulladullada posted small blind.
[Nov 3 10:43:16] : newmanseye1 posted big blind.
[Nov 3 10:43:16] : Game [35] started with 5 players.

[Nov 3 10:43:16] : Seat 2 : newmanseye1 has 3s Jh

[Nov 3 10:43:20] : rob6575 called 200
[Nov 3 10:43:22] : ulladullada called 100
[Nov 3 10:43:23] : newmanseye1 checked.
[Nov 3 10:43:24] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Level up in: 4 min. Break in: 28 min. Players : 10

[Nov 3 10:43:24] : Board cards [8d Kh Qh]
[Nov 3 10:43:29] : ulladullada checked.
[Nov 3 10:43:32] : newmanseye1 checked.
[Nov 3 10:43:34] : rob6575 bet 370 and is All-in
[Nov 3 10:43:36] : ulladullada folded.
[Nov 3 10:43:37] : newmanseye1 called 370
[Nov 3 10:43:38] : Showdown!
[Nov 3 10:43:38] : Seat 2 : newmanseye1 has 3s Jh
[Nov 3 10:43:40] : Seat 2 : newmanseye1 has 3s Jh
[Nov 3 10:43:40] : Seat 5 : rob6575 has Kc Ts
[Nov 3 10:43:44] : Stakes: 100/200 Current level: 4 Level up in: 4 min. Break in: 28 min. Players : 10
[Nov 3 10:43:46] : Board cards [8d Kh Qh 5h 6h]
[Nov 3 10:43:46] : Seat 5 : rob6575 has Kc Ts
[Nov 3 10:43:46] : rob6575 has Pair: Kings
[Nov 3 10:43:46] : Seat 2 : newmanseye1 has 3s Jh
[Nov 3 10:43:46] : newmanseye1 has Flush KQJ65
[Nov 3 10:43:46] : newmanseye1 wins 1,340 with Flush KQJ65
[Nov 3 10:43:50] : massive h : joke
[Nov 3 10:43:55] : Hand is over.



Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: kinboshi on November 03, 2006, 11:26:42 AM
970 in the pot - 370 to you to call.

He could have any two cards, so pre-flop it makes sense.

But on the flop, if you think he has a King, then he's going to be a 90% favourite - and the fold might be correct? 

But like you said, with so few chips involved it's hardly the biggest crime against humanity to call.



Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: Royal Flush on November 03, 2006, 11:31:49 AM
What exactly are you hoping to hit?


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: boldie on November 03, 2006, 11:32:57 AM
970 in the pot - 370 to you to call.

He could have any two cards, so pre-flop it makes sense.

But on the flop, if you think he has a King, then he's going to be a 90% favourite - and the fold might be correct? 

But like you said, with so few chips involved it's hardly the biggest crime against humanity to call.



Pre flop I would call. after the flop there is no reason to IMO. You need to hit two cards to take the hand if the raiser sticks his chips in. sure it's not a lot of chips BUT if you keep making calls like that you'll be out of the tourneys more often than staying in them. you're risking 5% of your stack on hitting a runner runner if you believe the raiser isn't bluffing...not a move I would make.


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: ACE2M on November 03, 2006, 11:33:59 AM
If you think a Jack or a three could win then it seems reasonable to call


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: Longy on November 03, 2006, 04:10:48 PM
I call this odds too good to pass up, his range really does have to be tight here too fold this and his range should be quite wide.


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: temp0r on November 03, 2006, 05:43:30 PM
you're getting good enough odds considering your chip lead on everyone i think. 2 backdoor draws and possibly a jack to win it's a fair enough call.


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: The Dundonian on November 03, 2006, 11:27:59 PM
What exactly are you hoping to hit?

Sums things up in 6 words! Calls like this make a big stack, small fairly quickly. Bad call IMHO.


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: bhoywonder on November 04, 2006, 02:42:30 PM
it often annoys me when the big stack bigs on smaller ones wi any two hole cards and end up doubling him thru

it can be justified HU preflop but in this case bad call methinks


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: Poppet7 on November 04, 2006, 05:26:14 PM
What exactly are you hoping to hit?

Sums things up in 6 words! Calls like this make a big stack, small fairly quickly. Bad call IMHO.

7 but I get your point ;)


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on November 04, 2006, 06:21:17 PM
What exactly are you hoping to hit?

Runner Runner Flush of course!

But seriously, i let him have the pot and fold straight away.


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: Royal Flush on November 07, 2006, 07:43:30 PM
I can't believe more people say call. Am i misreading this tell me if i am.

The pot is 600, a guy bets 370, you are calling 370 to win 970. 2.6-1. You need to win 38% of the time!


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on November 07, 2006, 07:49:14 PM
I can't believe more people say call. Am i misreading this tell me if i am.

The pot is 600, a guy bets 370, you are calling 370 to win 970. 2.6-1. You need to win 38% of the time!

Lol, youve misread nothing mate..


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: SupaMonkey on November 07, 2006, 08:07:11 PM
The pot is 600, a guy bets 370, you are calling 370 to win 970. 2.6-1. You need to win 38% of the time!

I got 28% ?????????


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: The_Diamond on November 07, 2006, 11:28:18 PM
That's a pretty sick call.


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: JungleCat03 on November 07, 2006, 11:31:15 PM
The pot is 600, a guy bets 370, you are calling 370 to win 970. 2.6-1. You need to win 38% of the time!

I got 28% ?????????

Yep 28%. Still not good enough pot odds to call J hi though really.


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: SupaMonkey on November 07, 2006, 11:55:12 PM
I agree.

Btw, where's the smiley gone for that.


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: Royal Flush on November 08, 2006, 12:40:12 AM
The pot is 600, a guy bets 370, you are calling 370 to win 970. 2.6-1. You need to win 38% of the time!

I got 28% ?????????

You spotted my deliberate mistake.


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on November 08, 2006, 01:20:33 AM
I agree.

Btw, where's the smiley gone for that.


this one,...

 ;iagree;


Title: Re: Is this such a bad call??
Post by: SupaMonkey on November 08, 2006, 02:49:26 AM
Yea. ;iagree;

It wasn't there earlier, honest guv.


The pot is 600, a guy bets 370, you are calling 370 to win 970. 2.6-1. You need to win 38% of the time!

I got 28% ?????????

You spotted my deliberate mistake.

Do i get a prize?