Title: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: Harby on September 08, 2005, 12:13:41 PM I only play multi table tournies and have never been interested in playing cash games.
A lot of people say your bread and butter is the cash games and tournies are a bonus. What different qualities do you need for cash games as I have heard conflicting stories a lot of people say you need to be looser on the cash games to tournies and other say the complete opposite. As I said I do not play cash games so it would be interesting to hear any views from cash game players on the difference of starting hands and general play for the two games. Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: ifm on September 08, 2005, 12:19:07 PM Patience patience patience (not my biggest strength).
I once sat at a pals house (a big cash game winner) watching telly and chatting, he just passed hand after hand after hand until he had a biggy then played it aggressively and back to pass pass pass. He must play around 10 hands an hour!!! Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: The Baron on September 08, 2005, 12:34:04 PM Generally in cash games I play like a sniper. A big hand every now and again for a decent sized pot.
Aggression is good in the hands you play but quite pointless all of the time. Bluffing happens more rarely than at the later stages of a tourney so if you try and nick all the time you will run into people playing proper hands. (Also there is not much point nicking pre flop as the blinds never change!) I like playing two random cards against a rock. If he has an overpair and you hit the right flop you can break them for their whole stack. This aside though I generally stick to (kinda) tight (super) aggressive. A bit dull but it pays the bills. Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: TightEnd on September 08, 2005, 12:55:47 PM For me it is about patience and discipline. Obviously there are no concepts of increasing blinds etc so every deal can be played on its own merit
It's really quite a complicated subject For example, different strategies if you sit down shallow or deep stacked Where on the table should you choose to sit etc Furthermore it is straightforward, but quite tedious, to sit there waiting for a playable hand and then being aggressive with it. This though is one dimensional and transparent. Whilst bluffing is not a big part of my cash play the value of advertising by showing a bluff or getting caught as cheaply as possible on a bluff can be large if you get paid off further down the line Finally, one piece of advice I received that I have found excellent (through expensive experience before!) was never go from a tournament straight into cash...leave it a while...I've no ideas whether others agree with this but I find cash works best with fewer distractions, no thoughts of previous bad beats or bad plays and concentration Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: The Baron on September 08, 2005, 01:03:46 PM Well when I'm playing online if I'm in the early stages of a STT or even MTT and not much is going on, I might play cash on the side as I wont be playing many hands an hour and unless you are in a hand isn't very distracting.
Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: snoopy1239 on September 08, 2005, 01:06:53 PM How do you guys play suited connectors in cash games?
Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: TightEnd on September 08, 2005, 01:15:02 PM Suited Connectors:
typically I'm limping in if no action before me I'm obviously looking to bust big starting hands with them, so will try to be in a multi way pot with them If I miss on flop or have no worthwhile draws I'm giving up may be this is too ABC...Anyone try any deception plays with them? Snoopy....what about pairs from 99 down...limp to hit a set or get out post flop if you miss? or raise it up, call raises? Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: snoopy1239 on September 08, 2005, 01:20:12 PM Does anyone raise suited connectors preflop?
I call any almost any preflop bet with any pair. I raise the minimum preflop if noone has raised. This makes people feel like the pot is too big too pass. Hence, they pay your set off. Obviously, I get out if I don't hit. Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: The Baron on September 08, 2005, 01:25:50 PM How do you guys play suited connectors in cash games? Depends. If I'm deep stacked I almost always like to see a flop with suited connectors. I may limp with them in later position (multi way) or make a small raise with them in earlier position (say 2XBB, again to confuse, create a nice pot and break an entire stack if I hit the right flop) but I wont go nuts on them. I'll always play them against a rock who I'm hoping has an overpair but am less likely to play them against someone loose aggressive. If I sit with a more shallow stack I'll just try to see as many cheap flops as possible with them and usually only play them multi way when there's value in catching the dream flop. With any stack I like to play suited connectors against a real short stack because they always seem to follow pre flop raises with the rest. It can be a quick buck. Just an additional point - the 2XBB raise from early position I mentioned earlier has given me great success. People with say A10 or KQ behind really dont know what to do with it. If you find someone who plays it cagey when they catch a piece of the flop it's great for rivering your straight/flush/two pair! Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: TightEnd on September 08, 2005, 01:28:54 PM good posts guys, thanks
Baron....post more! Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: snoopy1239 on September 08, 2005, 01:35:21 PM How do you guys play suited connectors in cash games? Depends. If I'm deep stacked I almost always like to see a flop with suited connectors. I may limp with them in later position (multi way) or make a small raise with them in earlier position (say 2XBB, again to confuse, create a nice pot and break an entire stack if I hit the right flop) but I wont go nuts on them. I'll always play them against a rock who I'm hoping has an overpair but am less likely to play them against someone loose aggressive. If I sit with a more shallow stack I'll just try to see as many cheap flops as possible with them and usually only play them multi way when there's value in catching the dream flop. With any stack I like to play suited connectors against a real short stack because they always seem to follow pre flop raises with the rest. It can be a quick buck. Just an additional point - the 2XBB raise from early position I mentioned earlier has given me great success. People with say A10 or KQ behind really dont know what to do with it. If you find someone who plays it cagey when they catch a piece of the flop it's great for rivering your straight/flush/two pair! Do you find that in multi-way pots, your suited connectors lose a lot of money from higher flushes? Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: The Baron on September 08, 2005, 01:37:28 PM Lol, cheers TightEnd.
In a cash game has anyone ever gotten away from a set under someone else's set on a broken flop (in Hold'em)? Yesterday I lost a load with 222 vs 555 and I felt I was behind but just couldn't..... cick..... fold. Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: snoopy1239 on September 08, 2005, 01:39:05 PM Lol, cheers TightEnd. In a cash game has anyone ever gotten away from a set under someone else's set on a broken flop (in Hold'em)? Yesterday I lost a load with 222 vs 555 and I felt I was behind but just couldn't..... cick..... fold. I think that's just bad luck. If it's two big stacks minimum rasing each other several times, then you may be able to release bottom set. Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: The Baron on September 08, 2005, 01:44:22 PM How do you guys play suited connectors in cash games? Depends. If I'm deep stacked I almost always like to see a flop with suited connectors. I may limp with them in later position (multi way) or make a small raise with them in earlier position (say 2XBB, again to confuse, create a nice pot and break an entire stack if I hit the right flop) but I wont go nuts on them. I'll always play them against a rock who I'm hoping has an overpair but am less likely to play them against someone loose aggressive. If I sit with a more shallow stack I'll just try to see as many cheap flops as possible with them and usually only play them multi way when there's value in catching the dream flop. With any stack I like to play suited connectors against a real short stack because they always seem to follow pre flop raises with the rest. It can be a quick buck. Just an additional point - the 2XBB raise from early position I mentioned earlier has given me great success. People with say A10 or KQ behind really dont know what to do with it. If you find someone who plays it cagey when they catch a piece of the flop it's great for rivering your straight/flush/two pair! Do you find that in multi-way pots, your suited connectors lose a lot of money from higher flushes? That is the danger yeah. The ideal flop for your suited connectors though is a made straight, two pair or trips. Especially vs the overpair. If you flop the flush vs AA and he has a suited card they can still redraw on you. With the two pair, trips or straight this is a whole lot less likely. So the flush is actually the last hand you are looking for. And isn't it something like "for every 4 times a possible flush is on a board, one of those times is a four card flush on board"? Now how do you feel about your 6d7d? Lol! Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: snoopy1239 on September 08, 2005, 01:50:10 PM What's your alias on party, The Baron?
Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: The Baron on September 08, 2005, 01:52:31 PM I'll PM you.
Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: ACE2M on September 08, 2005, 02:14:48 PM Just a point, nobody has raised the issue of short handed (5/6 seat) and full tables ((9/10) seats.
I play them entirely differently. If i am playing a tourney i usually have a 10 seat table running as well and play like an absolute rock and aggressive when i have big hands. (i find this brings a steady profit) If i am playing cash only, i want shorthanded play and i am always the most aggressive player. Playing to a particular strategy. (i find this can be very profitable or small profit or break even. it is rarely a big loser) Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: The Baron on September 08, 2005, 03:12:46 PM Good point. Starting hand values change.
I never find action with big hands 6 handed though. Anyone ever limp with big pairs 6 handed? Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: RED-DOG on September 08, 2005, 03:20:48 PM Good point. Starting hand values change. I never find action with big hands 6 handed though. Anyone ever limp with big pairs 6 handed? I find that most people with a very big pair tend to limp a bit Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: The Baron on September 08, 2005, 03:22:43 PM Good point. Starting hand values change. I never find action with big hands 6 handed though. Anyone ever limp with big pairs 6 handed? I find that most people with a very big pair tend to limp a bit LMAO took me 3 reads to get that. Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: TightEnd on September 08, 2005, 03:23:15 PM that's why we put ours in a pram isn't it Red Dog?
for those vertically challenged, I recommend wheelbarrows Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: RED-DOG on September 08, 2005, 03:26:17 PM "Have you tried Boots?"
"Yes, but it runs out the lace holes! Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: RyG on September 08, 2005, 06:38:34 PM Been playing a lot on the 6 handed cash tables, find that its very dependent on what type of players on the table are to be a success..
Wondering what your opinions on playing suited aces were? get in as cheap as possible and try and get a nice flop? Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: The Baron on September 08, 2005, 06:50:12 PM Been playing a lot on the 6 handed cash tables, find that its very dependent on what type of players on the table are to be a success.. Wondering what your opinions on playing suited aces were? get in as cheap as possible and try and get a nice flop? I think it's on of the harder hands to play for sure. ie It's the most common route to the nut hand but doesn't come in often and when an ace flops it's usually a loser. I think it has to be cheap flops. Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: RED-DOG on September 08, 2005, 06:56:49 PM I think it's a very hard hand to get in the first place
When did you last have suited aces? Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: The_nun on September 08, 2005, 07:00:33 PM I think it's a very hard hand to get in the first place Never had them myself ..But I know a man who gets them on a regular basis..When did you last have suited aces? Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: RED-DOG on September 08, 2005, 07:07:45 PM I think it's a very hard hand to get in the first place Never had them myself ..But I know a man who gets them on a regular basis..When did you last have suited aces? Cryipic ??? Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: RyG on September 08, 2005, 09:05:09 PM Pretty sad way to pass you day knit picking :)
Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: Robert HM on September 08, 2005, 10:02:50 PM Pretty sad way to pass you day knit picking :) You mean "nit" picking ;D Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: RyG on September 08, 2005, 10:12:36 PM Knew u'd spot that delibrate one mr brief ;)
Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: snoopy1239 on September 08, 2005, 10:14:24 PM Pretty sad way to pass you day knit picking :) You mean "nit" picking ;D stop nit picking! Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: Robert HM on September 08, 2005, 10:24:12 PM Pretty sad way to pass you day knit picking :) You mean "nit" pickingĀ ;D stop nit picking! That's better but your capital letter is missing. Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: ifm on September 08, 2005, 10:40:09 PM Did anyone notice harby spelt against wrong lol
Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: Robert HM on September 08, 2005, 10:44:25 PM I blame it on the education system, the whole country is ruined due to lack of Government funding, interference in teaching methods and the general malaise caused by youth crime. Either that or it was a typo.
Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: ifm on September 08, 2005, 10:48:40 PM i bet you spellchecked that twice ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: Robert HM on September 08, 2005, 11:00:12 PM Not at all, but I read it again before I pressed the button ;D
Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: Maroon on September 09, 2005, 12:10:26 AM Heir splitter!
Title: Re: Cash games agaisnt Tournies Post by: Robert HM on September 09, 2005, 12:23:44 AM Too easy!
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