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Nov 7 23:05:11] : Hand Start.
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : Seat 2 : ItbRookie has $6,560
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : Seat 3 : Player6 has $2,520
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : Seat 4 : Player7 has $1,605
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : Seat 5 : PLayer1 has $2,710
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : Seat 6 : Player2 has $10,860
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : Seat 7 : Player3 has $3,625
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : Seat 8 : Player4 has $4,220
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : Seat 9 : Player5 has $2,275
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : ItbRookie is the dealer.
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : Player6 posted small blind.
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : Player7 posted big blind.
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : Game [61] started with 8 players.
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : Dealing Hole Cards.
[Nov 7 23:05:11] : Seat 2 : ItbRookie has 3d 3h
[Nov 7 23:05:16] : PLayer1 called 200 and raised 300
[Nov 7 23:05:19] : Player2  called 500 and raised 300
[Nov 7 23:05:22] : Player3 folded.
[Nov 7 23:05:22] : Player4 folded.
[Nov 7 23:05:25] : Player5 called 800
[Nov 7 23:05:36] : ItbRookie ...

Ok, Player1 is quite active, plays alot of pots, and isnt afraid of raising.... Player2 has only recently joined the table, so no real info. Player5 likes to limp alot and see flops, not much raising from him. Player6 is tight as f*ck lol... and Player7 is quite tight too..

So, play round to you, its the first real action hand for a while. Whats your move and why??

If we don't know player 2 then i think we have to assume that he's not going to fold to your push so we have to fold here.

Edit, oh and he probably has AK, QQ+. If that is his range then there is a greater chance he holds a pocket pair (18 ways) than AK (16 ways). Also, one of the the other two is probably messing around with Ax.

Edit 2, I know he's trying to isolate mr loony, but how much wider is his hand range likely to be.

I wasnt really looking at the reraise here, im wondering if people would call here and see a flop for setting purposes or whether you fold. I dont think Allin is an option at all! IMO.

Really, the first guy is weak and the caller is weak so the only person you have to worry about is player 2. If you get them all to fold you get 33% extra chips for free.

why is the 1st guy weak?

\I think the price may be a little high here. Although player 2 has a decent stack so your implied odds arnt too bad.  I have 2 issues here. If you call the betting isnt closed and you can be reraised. Also if you take a multiway pot here then the amount in the middle in relation to the amounts in some of your foes stacks means you probaly wont be able to use position to win this hand as someone will move first. I think this is a feel calll or pass I am hapy with either here , if you think you can pick up pots easily then it may be worth a gamble , if chips are proving hard to come by then keep them in your stack.

LAG's get hands too, that is some assumption.

Yes you are right, but he needs a very good hand here to call your allin with two people behind him.

I think a push here is almost garunteed a call from somewhere and you are 50/50 at best. I think it is better to call or pass , I dont want to risk a big move here with 3's.

Yea, i agree. I think player 2 has a decent hand but i would just fold preflop. I don't like putting that many chips in preflop.

He learn't that eventually :D

fold

Fold for me too.  Even with 3 other players in the pot the odds just aren't there, given that 2 of them are short-stacked.

Sheriff

yeah it's an easy fold for me in this position with the initial raiser still able to reraise. I'd be happy to see a flop if it'd only been raised once but with another raise and a possible all-in still to come I reckon you have to fold it.

Not even a call?

no IMO a call here would be exactly the wrong thing to do.

Player 5 already called the 800 for 40% of his stack. It's a flatcall i don't understand unless he has a very big hand...even if he does limp a lot.

player1 raised it from UTG for 20% of his stack and player 2 min raised. player 1 has the option of reraising that raise again after you call.

If you call you would stick in more than 10% of your stack in the hope that noone reraises..to an all in you have to fold, right? And if player 1 does min raise that gives player 2 another shot at raising.

There is nothing to be gained from calling here and a push would probably get you a caller (I would think at least player5 would call as he's essentially pot commited and, like I said, I take him for a big hand).

easy fold.

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you need a lot of things to go rite to justify a call

a) no-one needs to back raise after you have called.
b) you get entire stack action (almost) every single time you flop a set.. and I think only one person has you covered to give you 100% stack action, so you not only need to get a lot of action when you flop the set, you need to get action from HIM.
c) you never lose when you flop a set
d) you never put an extra cent in the pot when you miss

Put all them together, and its too much of a longshot to justify calling.


Pushing is quite inventive, but you get looked up from someone most of the time, and a pretty good % of the time you are facing an overpair and the rest of the time you are walking into two overcards, so I dont think that has much going for it either... so that just leaves folding, so you fold.

Thanks Totalise. 

I would usually be fold there, but I'm always unsure if I could be calling as well (or making the big raise if the situation is right).

How big would the pair need to be to justify a call - or does it not matter.  Are you going to be either raising or folding here?

I would raise or fold here with any pair to be honest. Assuming one of them always gives you action then the only cards i would consider a flatcall with would be with pocket aces.

I wouldn't be caling with any pair, because its apparent that almost all the time you are going to get a caller, so slowplaying AA/KK preflop isnt really essential in these situations. I dont really know how big it would need to be to Jam, i would hazard a guess at QQ+++ really, the action is quite scary. Depends on reads/table feel at the time mainly as to whether you shipbot it in with JJ/1010 or AK as well.

calling with AA isn't so bad, it probably maximizes your equity, but the higher your equity goes, in general the higher your chances of losing the pot go as well, and in tourneys you prolly should err on the side of "tournament life salvation" when the decisions are quite close, even though the concept of a tournament life is an abhorrent one to me in general.

an easy fold