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Anyone who watched the undercover documentry would be a little suprised about this. He's got off scotch free,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/bradford/6135060.stm

His little quote made me laugh, wonder how long he has had this soundbite prepared?

 "They can take our taxes but they cannot take our hearts, they cannot take our tongues and they cannot take our freedom".

They should have locked the nasty little scum bag up and threw away the key.

Once we lock this chap up, who are we going for next?

I really don't mind people talking bollocks, they normally expose themselves for what they are but the problem is alot of people in this country believe just about anything if told in the right way.

His Nazi boot boys

the SNP

Lets not get too deep into politics on here... it can only end in arguments and problems.

And im going to Singapore tomorrow so dont make me work tonight :)

Really? What are you up to over there then?

Kev, I never knew you were going to Singapore, did you win something? ::)

 rotflmfao ;ifm;

Sigh ... I was trying to keep it a secret, but you lot forced it out of me :D

Good luck Kev, Shhhip It.

Taking a tour of the Royal Singapore Pie Factory would be my guess.

Kev,

Flushy says hes gonna teach you how to be a pro like him, hope you have your notebook and pencil ready!

another * derailled a thread...so many trolls.

rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

Seriously though Kev..best of luck to you mate...

Flushy is bringing his laptop, and there is wireless on the plane ...
Im just hoping Flushy lets me have a game on his account ....I would love to play on a "Golden" account. ;)

couple of WHOOSHES in this thread

Acidmouse, did you just call me a star? aww thats sweet xxxxx but Kev is the real star.. hes going to play in a $2m tournament!

What's the matter, is that lever of yours not enough? ;)

This makes me laugh.

I'm not surprised he got let off.  However abhorrent I find his views, our country (unlike blonde :) )  is a democracy and we are lucky to be allowed freedom of speech.  It saddens me to say it, but there is a significant minority out there who share the views of the BNP leaders and spokesmen, hence the fact that members of the party are now sitting as councillors.

If we want to live in a democracy - and I presume most of us do - let's everyone have the right to express their opinions, however ridiculous

!

haha - not my words - isn't Tikay always saying blonde isn't a democracy!?

true, true.

Its a plutocracy.

What if that view incites racial hatred or promotes child abuse?

then whoever expressed the view would be tried under the appropriate laws, as in this case.

I know that, but didn't you just say they should be allowed the freedom of speech?

yes I did, but it goes without saying that people should act within the confines of the laws of the land.  As far as I know, expressing ones personal view is not illegal, and that it what I meant by free speech. 

I would love to type up a fuller reply now but I was supposed to be meeting my drinking buddy 2 minutes ago :)  I hope it's pretty clear what I mean though without getting into semantics and having to supply specific examples.

When I was a young punk and faux anarchist I was given pause for thought when someone asked.

'What happens when your freedom limits mine ? '.

I think this applies to speech as well as actions.

What is more important.

Ensuring the innocent are let free or ensuring the guilty are punished?

No, no moderator has deleted any of your posts from this thread.

So Kev is leaving for Singapore and wants a quiet night?

To that end, I feel it prudent to remind the forum that Braveheart is on Filmfour tonight at 9pm.

Watched it the other night ...again.

Freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeedommmmmmmmm ...... should have just said Mercy and be done with it !! ;)

Merci is what that French lady said when he boffed the English toffs missus.  ;D

What did the english fellas say when they got first shot at wallaces bride ?

Where's the syphillis clinic at?

Ok everyone, we've removed two posts from this thread, one contained language that went way OTT and the other was an inappropriate sectarian response to this post.

I know this is a subject that arouses strong passions and feelings. Whilst we don't want to interfere in any debate, we'll do so if it kicks off again.

Cheers

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

I'm for free speech but i'd be happy if they died tomorrow.

Good luck Kev   :)up

I really fail to see the comparison your trying to make here.

There is a massive difference between racism and nationalism.  The SNP as a political party are fiercely proud of their nationhood and don't need to resort to the racist and fascist policies of the BNP to make political progress.  The BNP play on fear and resort to hijacking serious political issues and slur it with racial content which is sure to stir emotions.

Nick Griffen is the political face of the Right, this is a looney fringe that contains all that is wrong within the UK.  Don't be fooled by the BNP's move into politics its still the same boneheads who support them they are disgrace who stir up racial hatred and try and intimidate non-UK nationals by making false accusations and encouraging hate amongst the poorest element of society by inciting that immigrants and asylum seekers are better off than them.

The BNP imho should be booted out of politics any political party who preach hatred or prejudice has no place in the political arena.

And good luck pie-man nobody mentioned you where going your holidays.

Kev,

Are you going away mate?

Good post Bandit (even though I'm not a big SNP fan myself)

I don't think it was a serious comparisom. (I hope not anyway) The two parties are indeed, miles apart.


Problem is, we can't just ban a political party. In a democracy, everybody has to get their say.

All we can do is hope that in regions wher the BNP hold sway, other saner political parties work harder to grab hold of the right wing vote, and BNPs main support base.

With no supporters, guys like this are just a crazy man in a pub.

I'm not a fan of the SNP myself Tank although if it was a straight choice between them and the BNP its a no brainer for me.

The probelm I see is the main stream political parties have deserted the working class, it used to be the case that Labour could be depended upon to show solidarity with the workers but Blair realised this wasn't going to see them take power and re-shaped the party so as to attract middle England and disgruntled Tories.

I don't see enough solidarity work being done, neither do I see enough ground work being done.  The only time I ever see my local councillor or MP is when an election is approaching.  They don't campaign on the issues they say they will when the stand for election.  This IMO is the reason why the BNP can get a foothold in many places in England.  I think the Scottish are more sane than some parts of England and we see through them, plus we have activists who will confront the BNP and any fascist elements both politically and through physical confrontation.

Personally I'd gladly see the socialists and working class work together but unfortunately there are too many meglomaniacs who want all the power to themselves.  IMO Tommy Sheridan has destroyed any chance the working class ever had of gaining decent representation, I think it will be a long time before the left in scotland recovers.

Nothing wrong with freedom of speech.

In Party Politics or the blonde forum?

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech, this case was about inciting racial hatred. The government are so concerned about the outcome they are considering changing the law.

From what i understand, the reason why he was let free was a technicality as he was tried under race relations Act, and according to law Muslims are not ethnic minority, therefore he has not committed a crime as they (Muslims as a group) are not protected by that Act.

If in his speech that was recorded he has referred to the specific ethnic group that is under the protection of this act he would go down. I think there is going to be new statute out soon, but the problem of course is if those people go underground it will be more difficult to control them and monitor them.  Reading some of the rhetorics of popular press and some of the policies of Labour government is not suprising that BNP has a fair number of supporters.  Scaremongering is nothing new, and since the beginning of the human kind, some governments chose to blame all the troubles of the country on foreigners.  The distortion of facts and twisting a history is a convenient tool for brainwashing.

What i found amazing in this country is that many pple say things like ; we are such a small island, we are swamped with immigrants, but if i ask those people to give me exact size of their country/population nr and so on, they have no idea.

Some repeat slogans from the sun. daily telegraph, but are too lazy to do independent research into the fair, objective facts.
BNP is no different from any fundamentalist movement that counts on people's lack of education.

Recently someone i know claimed that immigrants are responsible for a draught in this country. the idiotic statement of some people who claim to be fairy educated is scary, but that's part of the reality, and IMO the fact that Blair is so pro faith schools being separated will not improve things among various cultures.  The tolerance is tought by your parents and environment, putting up new laws will not change the reality, spending some money in order to educate people would be more effective but then who would be blamed for Goverment's failing policies?

Either, the reason this guys party is becoming more popular has little (or anything) to do with him or his speeches it's because people are experiencing for themselves the effects of this governments immigration policies.
Because his party is the only one with a stand on immigration he will become stronger, the problem is of course that their policies go much further than just stemming immigration but people may not even know what they are!

The goverment's immigration policies has nothing to do with they poverty and falling NHS/education in this country....
But BNP and other morons use them as a scapegoat. 

Immigrants as it happens contribute to this country in equal measures if not more as 99% do not take money back from the system.


Hahaha sry, but this is load of bxxxxx, each party has immigration policy that suits their goverment. It is known fact that illegal immigration is one of the best way to keep wages low and keep the small bussinesses going.  Form of economic explotation. Anyone thinking that this goverment's immigration policy is out of control is uninformed at least.  Also a lot of policies are there to serve big corporations financial interests and have nothing to do with the wellbeing of citizens. 

It is called capitalism and law of economics.

I dont usually laugh at my own jokes but..... rotflmfao rotflmfao rotflmfao

Huh, i never mentioned any of that ???

That makes little sense to me, who doesn't take money back?
I don't understand.


It is pretty common knowledge that there are few restrictions on immigration at the moment, the figures rise yearly and even the government themselves admit to being caught out by it.

Anyway my point was to do with the BNP gaining members on the back of a single policy not to debate the governments policies.

immigrants most of them do not claim benefits and so on...



and this knoledge came from what? surely you don't know many immigrants otherwise you would not say this.

I would advice you to do some research on what it takes to come to this country and then perhaps we can have this discussion. 

  I am sure that the effect you are talking here are not positive ones.

 ;popcorn;

I do not wish to discuss this at all with you, though i think your stat that 99% of immigrants do not take money from the system is a bit.........erm.........daft.

As i have tried to explain my point was to do with this guys party gaining membership.

In Germany the Jews were the immigrants, the Nazi's got a lot of support there too.

Perhaps we should make sure that same don't happen here

 
But explaining the reasons for joining BNP are not necessary.  BNP members are morons whatever their excuse is for joining the party.

The BNP do serve a purpose in politics in that they act as a bellwether as to the underlying feeling of a section of the working classes, a sector which has been completely abandoned by the mainstream political parties. If there was no BNP, the white working class who feel there is too much immigration would not feel inclined to vote and so their voices would go unheard. As it is, every time the BNP pick up some votes in an election and get some publicity we are reminded that a) there are people for whom the policies of the BNP are attractive and b) there aren't actually that many of these people in this country (because the BNP never actually get many votes which aren't kneejerk reactionary votes).

Compared to other European countries, the far right are a tiny minority in the UK. There will always be a far right party in British politics, which is entirely correct (anyone can stand on any platform in our elections). Over the years, however, the overwhelming majority of the British people have continually rejected them.

The immigration debate is nothing to do with race (which is an artificial cultural construct anyway), it's all about economics. Employers know they can pay immigrants less than native Britons and, as all major political decisions are made on the basis of 'what is good for the economy?', immigration was welcomed. The employers don't see the newcomers as 'immigrants' though (ie people different from themselves), they just view them as 'cheap labour'. Politicians did not understand/consider the cultural and societal implications of cheap labour however, and some white Britons felt as though they were abandoned by their government - that's what causes the rise of the BNP.

If the BNP growing wakes the major political parties up to the fact there is great discontent in a section of society then they can maybe address some of those issues (most of which are actually about lack of economic regeneration in poor areas and not about immigration at all), which would be a good thing.

By the same reasoning i think all labour supporters are morons.

David Cameron seems to be more like a member of the Green Party than the Conservatives

Are you trying to tell us with out saying it that you support the BNP, if not what are you going on about ?

LOL, where the hell did you get that from?
Her opinion is that all BNP members are morons, mine is that all labour supporters are, what has that gotta do with supporting anyone?

Well the thread is about a Nazi who is cleared of inciting racial hatred by telling a crowd of skinheads "lets show immigrants the door in 2004".

You come on and say you believe in the freedom of speech.


And reply to somebody who says that "BNP members are morons"  with the statement that you think "all labour party members are morons".

All of which got me thinking but it must have just been yet another misread.


edit -misread removed

You don't believe in freedom of speech?

I implied that it had to be more than 1% (i think you did misread).

We are all allowed opinions on politics, i dislike labour intensely, doesn't make me a Nazi does it?
If all non Labour people are Nazi's then you should keep labour in power forever :D

I don't vote labour, and I have no problems with the freedom of speech just the incitement of racial hatred.

 :goodpost:

This may be a little shallow but...

The number of good looking women in my town has doubled since the East Europeans have arrived. 

;hide;  ;goodvevil;  ;scarymoment;

And even nagging sounds sexy in Polish.

Some of the poles are dancers

I've noticed this as well. Suddenly I don't just go to Starbucks for the coffee...

monster raving lunatic party rule!!!!!!! ;D

IMO Nooo Labour has done more than its fair share to incite 'racial' tension and bigotry. I find the BNP abhorrent but less dishonest than Blair and his mafia.

can't argue with that statement....