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After dinner on Day 2 this hand came up...what would you do in my spot?

I have about 80,000 in chips. The average is probably 40-45,000. I'm sitting very comfortably and have good control of the table. Noone has mixed with me for quite a long time.

The blinds are 500-1000 with a running 100.

There are 4 limpers (all of whom are sitting with approx 50k in chips), I rap the table in the bb with Tc 3c.

The flop is Jc 9c 3s. Giving me bottom pair and a flush draw.

I decide to check. All check round to the last limper, who is a Russian guy who has only recently joined the table. He bets 4,000.

What should I do?

A checkraise to 12k would make for a good play here imho, but what read if any are you getting off the guy? Is he possibly making a position steal?

I don't wanna know, I'm out of position, I don't know Mr Redski., & I can find better situations to get involved for a serious amount of chips.

But that's why you've just picked up a 100k, & I never will!

It's unlikely that the other two will call because i would have expected a protective bet on that kind of board if they had hit it. I would call, if either of the other two get involved i would be looking to fold on the turn unless i hit two pair. When they both fold, I bet 11k on the turn if i miss, bet 6k on the turn if i hit my 2 pair to try and make him raise me so i can put a healthy value bet in on a non club river, and check call and value bet the river on a club turn, no club river.

..but this involves possibly, up to 25k of my stack! Surely we can find better spots for 25k, no?

More to the point Tony, its 25K of the Ruski's stack, Keith cant go bust here, the russian fella can, 14 outs to improve, I'd say this is a spot for aggression. Plus the added advantage is the checkraise, unless he has a set the Russian fella is gotta be worried.

Supopsing the Rusky shoots Keith? They do, you know.

I thought it was just you that shot people?    ;snoopy'sguns; ;snoopy'sguns;

Well In reality any pair is behind here ( mathmaticaly), I'm itching to get this bloke busted here.

I would just call - he will likely check a better flush draw, other mediocre hand on turn.  If you miss you can bet the river, if you hit check raise or check call depending on what you hit.

I just do;'t wanna get involved in this spot, we are out of position, & have no info on Mr Redski. Pass.

Thats the safe play here, in a lot of cases its best to retreat, but this is a great chance to send a message to the table and bust a player and add another 40 - 50 K to your stack.

I'm playing this hand and playing it agressive, then again I have never won the kind of money keith has so I am probably wrong. 

check raise all in. You've got outs

Ok. This is what went down.

I check raised to 25k.

He went allin with Ac 5c.

I called. No clubs came and I rivered a ten for two pair and shot into the chip lead.

But the more I think about this hand the more I think I misplayed it.

My feelings at the time were I was prepared to put all my chips in and the aggressive reraise was basically saying "I'm going nowhere here. If you call you have to put all your chips in." Basically I was making a play to win the pot there and then but willing to shove all more chips in if there's more action.

The problem is it's very unlikely the guy will be making this bet with a draw. Against so many limpers he should have a real hand here (a set, or top two minimum). Opening the betting up with QT or a flush draw is a really bad play as he could easily be shut out of the pot by a big reraise. I even think making a bet with AJ might be a mistake. Hmmmm. Maybe not, but he has no real read on the table yet as he's only been here for a few minutes.

As it happens I think his bet and reraise (when I am dutibound to call) are worse plays than mine. But, the likelihood of him having a real hand means I should just go into check/call mode.

Thanks Keith. More of these, please!

You are still 2% ahead on the flop here Keith, I would say the mistake is his, how can he push when you check raise from early position with nothing more than the flush draw, he cant believe his ace or 5 is of any real value once you checkraise.

I say you played it right, you gave the guy a chance to get away from his hand and he still pushed.   ;goodvevil; ;goodvevil;

Before reading Kieth's 2nd post my thought was to play this aggressively for a few reasons:

I don't want to play the rest of the hand out of position after I make a pretty obvious check call.

I don't want to call off 4k in chips only to be reraised behind.

I have absolutely no idea what he has and hitting the flush may cost me most of my stack.

If I want to play this hand I really want it heads up. Playing vs two people will most likely mean my draw is worthless.

On reflection I would go with tikay's suggestion on just passing to the 4k bet. I think check-calling is the worst move.

I agree with Pab.

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would everyone check here in this spot?

I'd check here about 0 times out of 100! Much prefer the bet/3-bet allin line then the c/r given this stack/position

Lemme check, you would bet out, check the raise the turn, and if not already, push on the river?

Pab was reading the thread when i posted that, i thought he was going to post. So much for trying to be clever, eh.




Totalise/Baron, what hands reraise you here if you call.

Also, the raiser doesn't necessarily need to have something here, everyone has demonstrated weakness. He knows you know that, probably saw your reraise as a draw (i.e. resteal with outs) and thought he was miles ahead.

I think his move would have worked if you had only made it 16k or so Keith. Was he quick to go allin.

maybe, I'd be hoping that someone would put in a raise "to see where they are at" or other such drivel, and then you can put the hammer down and stack off... something like, lead for 3k, they raise to 12k/15k with 35k behind, you slam it in, maybe they fold, maybe they dont. You aren't gonna be in terrible shape either way.

If someone just calls it gets tricky, which is the downside to leading, but if it does get called, then you are seeing the turn for the same price as if you had check/called, it sniffs out the potential snakes in the grass, given your relative position against the field,  and it gives you leeway to keep firing if you "smell weakness" or you can sneak in a sexy check/raise on the turn to (hopefully) end it. Or you can check fold.

Thats what goes through my head when I have reasonable draws with 50bb effective stacks in tournies, it may or may not be sensible.

its kind of similar to Mike the mouth's three bullets but with a nifty checkraise.

I did briefly consider leading out. By my image at the table was so strong at this time, I doubt anyone would raise me without the real goods. And then the move in option would lead to a call and I may well be drawing thin.

If I got action, it would almost certainly be call(s) and if a blank arrives on the turn, what do I do then?

The check raise means I may win a nice pot on the flop.