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If so, could they contact me please?

Especially if they have knowledge on self publishing.

A friend of mine ( ::) ) is completing his first novel and seeks advice and guidance on how to proceed beyond merely sending the script and a synopsis to 50 publishing houses and getting 50 rejection letters!

Ta

Your "friend" has to do the rejection slip thing first Tighty. I know a man who wall-papered his bedroom with them before he got published.

It's character building.

LOL ok then

No short cuts then, apart from paying to self publish?

Sending it to a few dozen publishers won't cost much, and it won't make the book any better or worse.

Much to gain, little to lose.

I would suggest publishing the first chapter on the internet (blog or similar). Maybe there's somewhere publishing people hang out on the internet where they might have their attention drawn to it. If it's any good it might build up a head of steam.

Has this friend sought critical appraisal from other friends as to the quality of the novel?

I got a letter published in Razzle once .... does that qualify me as being a published author ??

yes he has, feedback was good. Couselling services in the local area were flooded with calls for days afterwards.

Don't forget to try Literary Agents Tighty (friend of Tighty!!)

Self publishing is a very very dodgy route.
You have to publicise yourself etc etc, 99% of self published authors lose money :(

Not meaning to sound obvious, but copyright it before you stick it on the net or send it out to people - just to be sure.

it depends on the author's motivations. If its a "labour of love" eg "Canal Tunnels on the Grand Union Canal 1873-1924" and there's no wider market for it, then the personal reward of, ahem, sharing this with a wider audience might outweigh financial considerations.

Yes though, self publishing is not the answer for many

50 publishing houses?

 rotflmfao

I'd advise him to buy the "Writers Handbook" - http://www.whsmith.co.uk/WHS/Go.asp?isbn=0844253758&DB=220&Menu=Books (http://www.whsmith.co.uk/WHS/Go.asp?isbn=0844253758&DB=220&Menu=Books) - this contains pretty much all publishers contact details, it also gives guidance (where they've provided it) on what kind of thing they publish (it's not worth sending a war manuscript to a publisher of romance novels) and what kind of format they want it in (it's not worth sending the whole manuscript if they only want to see a sample chapter).

I'd then approach every single publisher who fits in (it'll be quite a few more than 50), if he's got the time and money then he could do this all in one go (good if more than one publisher expresses an interest), or he could do them consecutively (takes a lot more time, but a lot easier on the pocket).

(Why am I using so many brackets?)

(thank you)

Don't worry Jon, (some publishing houses look for parenthesis.)

I'm intrigued whats the title?

Tighty

don't send the whole script off to pubishers. Send the 1st chapter only, plus short synopsis and a short and concise covering letter. The whole script will NOT be read and it'll cost you a fortune in printing and postage.

They will make a decision very quickly based on the one chapter and synopsis. Many will not even go past the covering letter, so make sure you sell yourself well in that, without "overdoing" it - ie saying "this is the book to finally rival Harry Potter" or something similarly daft (it happens!)

Good luck!

Canal Tunnels on the Grand Union Canal 1873-1924


 rotflmfao

Is it about a young wizard on the Grand union canal?

People lap that s*** up

You could always speak to MikkyT.  Perhaps he could pod it and you could send out some CDs  ;djinn;

Failing that, you do know some well connected chaps at Dennis Publishing, and it has to be a small industry surely?

i beleive there is a new compnay allow people to sell books via the internet they only print the book once a person orders a copy and therefore taking away the cost in self publishing the person buying the book get a book that looks like one you buy from a bookshop

i heard an interview with one of the guys running it on radio 5 a week or so ago

There are a couple of books on this.

This one: http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0471799521.html (http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/WileyTitle/productCd-0471799521.html)

Or that one: http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Your-Book-Published-Dummies/dp/0764552570 (http://www.amazon.com/Getting-Your-Book-Published-Dummies/dp/0764552570)


But actually, all you need to know, you can find here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmF7wb2pIiM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmF7wb2pIiM)

1. Mikky is currently visiting his grandma. Wouldn't want to disturb him for his expertise at this tough time.

2. Yes Dennis, I know. Ta!

Seeing as its Panto time.....

anyway, stop hijacking my thread mug.

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Perhaps he is off writing a book. Or maybe it is being thrown at him. No idea.


Anyway, thank you for all the advice, I'll let you know what happens.

Tighty, another Site I'm involved in ended up publishing our own book, we had iot done in the USA (as it was cheaper), and sold it ourselves. We had to sell a hell of a lot to cover the costs, but we're damn proud of our book. We ended up with a few hundred quid to aid with the site running costs.

I can get details off the guy who did the publishing if you want.

I have just finished a book. It took about 18 Months to complete
I may consider offering it to a publisher. it just gives a big boost
to your confidence once you have finished. I guess the next step
is hoping some professional publishers will give it a go.

Regards

M

Before going to the publishers, it would be worth to give it to a good editor, and make sure that the synopsis is of the highest quality.  Most publishers won't receive unsolicited manuscripts anyway - due to the possibility of being sued I.e they publish a book by other author that is similar to your story and blah blah blah..  So perhaps a good route is to go via literary agent first.

could I be sued if I did all the Colouring myself ?

regards

M

depends on the colours you have used....

I believe Mark Twain tried his hand at publishing.....

Good Luck.    My Grandfather had two books published back in the 70's

Dont tell me .... "Plumbing for beginners" & "Advanced Cactus Potting" :D

lol,  I think one was about walking and the other was something to do with the Bolton Fire Brigade. He was the chief fire officer for Bolton around the time of WW2.  To be honest, I have never actually read them. Not my kind of books, I prefer Thomas the Tank Engine and reading comics.

you surprise me.

A friend of mine had his books published with Leo Cooper - Jillys husband - and they were not exactly great. But Leo specialises in real war stuff so it was of interest to him and he knew where to distibute.
So definitely worth finding out the publishers who like you kind if stuff.

Most important question - Am I in it???

Its not autobiographical. Would have made a very short book ma'am.

richard the cheapest easist way to publish a book and make money

http://www.lulu.com/uk


here you can upload your book pick a cover and price people wanting your book place an order and get a proper book when they want one without having to print off 100,000 copies and finding out that you only sell 10%

I'm going to write some porn and publish it here - it will be the most downloaded book ever  ;D

So its a fantasy - lots to write about then........ ;popcorn;

You are not in it.

 ;nana;

You'd make more if you just read it out over the phone.....

Done that - very repetitive. Only so many times a day I can zip up my sleeping bag telling people I'm really taking my long boots off.

You'd me in mine......

 ;m3boy; I think this one was actually invented for you

About time you bloody well finished it. Give it to me and I'll just change the front cover for you and get it published in my name if its as good as I think it will be. Either way I wish you luck sir. I look forward to standing in a queue with the latest Dick Francis entitled asking you to autograph it for me or better still asking you where the books on poker are..........................

 ;D

I think a camera needs to be present when you walk upto Tighty and ask him to autograph your Dick Francis!

desperate times in the Dick department demand desperate measures, clearly

rotflmfao