Title: HU scenario Post by: ACE2M on September 12, 2005, 11:29:29 AM If you were playing for 1 mill HU and the opposing player anounced that he was going all in everytime and putting his cards on their back everyhand before you make your decision.
Antes and blinds are negligible. 1st hand he announces all in and turns over 72o, you look down and see the beautiful ACES. Do you call or fold? Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: Robert HM on September 12, 2005, 11:46:46 AM Call. %ages demand it. If you weren't going to call in that situation you shouldn't be in the game.
Ok so where did I go wrong in the answer? Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: Royal Flush on September 12, 2005, 11:47:21 AM errr call.
You wont get a better edge preflop Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: Robert HM on September 12, 2005, 11:48:04 AM OMG we agree, I must be on the right track ::)
Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: patman on September 12, 2005, 11:48:45 AM call....and then some....i cant see the trap door here
Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: ACE2M on September 12, 2005, 11:50:44 AM what about AA v AK or 55 v 52 etc
better edge. i'd still call tho. Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: The Baron on September 12, 2005, 12:36:09 PM I would call with aces vs any two here. If he gets lucky, I'll just shoot him. :)
Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: ACE2M on September 12, 2005, 12:58:14 PM but if every hand you will see his cards why not wait till you have him dominated?
Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: Scottish Dave on September 12, 2005, 01:09:07 PM but if every hand you will see his cards why not wait till you have him dominated? in a dominated situation, if he get lucky and hits an out on the flop, you inturn become the Dominated! Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: jezza777 on September 12, 2005, 01:57:52 PM call man call , i would call with aa v any 2 here but 67s would loosen my bowles a little
Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: byronkincaid on September 12, 2005, 02:06:53 PM you fold and wait for KK v K2.
Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: ACE2M on September 12, 2005, 02:44:45 PM you fold and wait for KK v K2. nice one. some sense to this madness. don't forget it's a million so why not give yourself the best odds of winning. Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: TightEnd on September 12, 2005, 02:48:54 PM come off it
enough! call. instantly. relax. let fate play it's hand throttle the bugger if it beats you Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: byronkincaid on September 12, 2005, 03:21:48 PM http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1057
pokenum -h as ac - 7s 2c Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV As Ac 1519445 88.74 184642 10.78 8217 0.48 0.890 7s 2c 184642 10.78 1519445 88.74 8217 0.48 0.110 http://twodimes.net/h/?z=21792 pokenum -h ks kc - kd 2c Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV Ks Kc 1612287 94.16 73825 4.31 26192 1.53 0.949 2c Kd 73825 4.31 1612287 94.16 26192 1.53 0.051 I suppose it depends how much you want a million. what about a billion? Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: redsimon on September 12, 2005, 05:31:24 PM If you were playing for 1 mill HU and the opposing player anounced that he was going all in everytime and putting his cards on their back everyhand before you make your decision. Antes and blinds are negligible. 1st hand he announces all in and turns over 72o, you look down and see the beautiful ACES. Do you call or fold? I'd ask him if he wanted to chop :D Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 05:41:04 PM How can the antes and blinds be negligible?
Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: redsimon on September 12, 2005, 05:50:35 PM Well you could have 500k each and blinds of 1/2
Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 05:53:07 PM They still wouldn't be negligible because if you kept folding you'd be antied away.
Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: redsimon on September 12, 2005, 05:57:51 PM They still wouldn't be negligible because if you kept folding you'd be antied away. Are you related to Ironside? :D Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 06:01:33 PM lol. Not as far as I know. ;D
What I mean is that to answer the question u have to know how the antis are going to affect you so you know how many times you can keep folding whilst you wait for the most favourable holdings possible. Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: redsimon on September 12, 2005, 06:02:23 PM True. I think i'd take my chances with AA vs 72 anyway... :D
Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 06:03:46 PM Same here - unless the blinds were really really small in comparision to the chipstacsk.
To be honest, I don't think the scenerio is gonna crop up too often. ;D Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: Ironside on September 12, 2005, 06:05:29 PM you could ante away over 300k or more in chips even with blinds of 1/2 waiting for Khkd v ks2d
so then a double up wouldn't even give you 50% of the chips ie over 200k hands i would take my chance with AA v anything Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 06:16:32 PM If the blinds are negligible though (ie. so ineffective they aren't worth considering), then you can wait for KK v K2.
I'm guessing in most scenarios though, you should take the aces and shove it in. ;D Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: Ironside on September 12, 2005, 06:18:25 PM the blinds would need to be something like 1/2 with stacks of about 5mill 10 mill for this to be a profitable wait
i could do the maths but i am useless at proving the maths behind this so i will leave it to the uni grads' Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 06:19:28 PM the blinds would need to be something like 1/2 with stacks of about 5mill 10 mill for this to be a profitable wait i could do the maths but i am useless at proving the maths behind this so i will leave it to the uni grads' Is that if waiting for KK v K2 or just any more favourable position than AA v 72? :) Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 06:20:10 PM I love it when we take the fun out of these threads.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: Ironside on September 12, 2005, 06:24:17 PM AhAd v 7h2d is good enough for me
AhAd v 7s2s is good enough for me Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 06:27:11 PM Are u in a tunnel?? ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: Ironside on September 12, 2005, 06:28:44 PM yep
I am in the dark Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: byronkincaid on September 12, 2005, 06:34:55 PM if the blinds are say 1p/2p then I think you'd be insane not to wait unless you've got enough money that a million won't dramatically affect your lifestyle. How many hands a day would you get dealt. 600? £9 a day. £3285 a year. I think I could wait a while for a mill.
Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 07:16:54 PM I'd still get outdrawn. >:(
Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: Robert HM on September 12, 2005, 07:31:32 PM Snoopy you've got it real bad!
Hope you get your HU confidence back..... after the blonde comp though Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 07:47:11 PM Snoopy you've got it real bad! Hope you get your HU confidence back..... after the blonde comp though I don't see why not. I'm gonna win after all. Title: Re: HU scenario Post by: Robert HM on September 12, 2005, 07:50:06 PM That's better, nothing more comforting than misplaced confidence.
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