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Title: HU scenario
Post by: ACE2M on September 12, 2005, 11:29:29 AM
If you were playing for 1 mill HU and the opposing player anounced that he was going all in everytime and putting his cards on their back everyhand before you make your decision.

Antes and blinds are negligible.

1st hand he announces all in and turns over 72o, you look down and see the beautiful ACES.

Do you call or fold?


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: Robert HM on September 12, 2005, 11:46:46 AM
Call. %ages demand it. If you weren't going to call in that situation you shouldn't be in the game.

Ok so where did I go wrong in the answer?


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: Royal Flush on September 12, 2005, 11:47:21 AM
errr call.

You wont get a better edge preflop


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: Robert HM on September 12, 2005, 11:48:04 AM
OMG we agree, I must be on the right track  ::)


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: patman on September 12, 2005, 11:48:45 AM
call....and then some....i cant see the trap door here


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: ACE2M on September 12, 2005, 11:50:44 AM
what about AA v AK or 55 v 52 etc

better edge. i'd still call tho.


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: The Baron on September 12, 2005, 12:36:09 PM
I would call with aces vs any two here. If he gets lucky, I'll just shoot him. :)


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: ACE2M on September 12, 2005, 12:58:14 PM
but if every hand you will see his cards why not wait till you have him dominated?


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: Scottish Dave on September 12, 2005, 01:09:07 PM
but if every hand you will see his cards why not wait till you have him dominated?

in a dominated situation, if he get lucky and hits an out on the flop, you inturn become the Dominated!


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: jezza777 on September 12, 2005, 01:57:52 PM
call man call , i would call with aa v any 2 here but 67s  would loosen my bowles a little


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: byronkincaid on September 12, 2005, 02:06:53 PM
you fold and wait for KK v K2.


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: ACE2M on September 12, 2005, 02:44:45 PM
you fold and wait for KK v K2.

nice one. some sense to this madness. don't forget it's a million so why not give yourself the best odds of winning.


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: TightEnd on September 12, 2005, 02:48:54 PM
come off it

enough!

call. instantly. relax. let fate play it's hand

throttle the bugger if it beats you


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: byronkincaid on September 12, 2005, 03:21:48 PM
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1057
pokenum  -h as ac  - 7s 2c
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards      win   %win     lose  %lose   tie  %tie     EV
As Ac  1519445  88.74   184642  10.78  8217  0.48  0.890
7s 2c   184642  10.78  1519445  88.74  8217  0.48  0.110



http://twodimes.net/h/?z=21792
pokenum  -h ks kc  - kd 2c
Holdem Hi: 1712304 enumerated boards
cards      win   %win     lose  %lose    tie  %tie     EV
Ks Kc  1612287  94.16    73825   4.31  26192  1.53  0.949
2c Kd    73825   4.31  1612287  94.16  26192  1.53  0.051


I suppose it depends how much you want a million. what about a billion?



Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: redsimon on September 12, 2005, 05:31:24 PM
If you were playing for 1 mill HU and the opposing player anounced that he was going all in everytime and putting his cards on their back everyhand before you make your decision.

Antes and blinds are negligible.

1st hand he announces all in and turns over 72o, you look down and see the beautiful ACES.

Do you call or fold?

I'd ask him if he wanted to chop  :D


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 05:41:04 PM
How can the antes and blinds be negligible?


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: redsimon on September 12, 2005, 05:50:35 PM
Well you could have 500k each and blinds of 1/2


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 05:53:07 PM
They still wouldn't be negligible because if you kept folding you'd be antied away.


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: redsimon on September 12, 2005, 05:57:51 PM
They still wouldn't be negligible because if you kept folding you'd be antied away.

Are you related to Ironside? :D


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 06:01:33 PM
lol. Not as far as I know.  ;D

What I mean is that to answer the question u have to know how the antis are going to affect you so you know how many times you can keep folding whilst you wait for the most favourable holdings possible.


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: redsimon on September 12, 2005, 06:02:23 PM
True. I think i'd take my chances with AA vs 72 anyway... :D


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 06:03:46 PM
Same here - unless the blinds were really really small in comparision to the chipstacsk.

To be honest, I don't think the scenerio is gonna crop up too often.  ;D


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: Ironside on September 12, 2005, 06:05:29 PM
you could ante away over 300k or more in chips even with blinds of 1/2 waiting for Khkd v ks2d
so then a double up wouldn't even give you 50% of the chips
ie over 200k hands

i would take my chance with AA v anything


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 06:16:32 PM
If the blinds are negligible though (ie. so ineffective they aren't worth considering), then you can wait for KK v K2.

I'm guessing in most scenarios though, you should take the aces and shove it in.  ;D


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: Ironside on September 12, 2005, 06:18:25 PM
the blinds would need to be something like 1/2 with stacks of about 5mill 10 mill for this to be a profitable wait

i could do the maths but i am useless at proving the maths behind this so i will leave it to the uni grads'


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 06:19:28 PM
the blinds would need to be something like 1/2 with stacks of about 5mill 10 mill for this to be a profitable wait

i could do the maths but i am useless at proving the maths behind this so i will leave it to the uni grads'

Is that if waiting for KK v K2 or just any more favourable position than AA v 72?  :)


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 06:20:10 PM
I love it when we take the fun out of these threads.

 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: Ironside on September 12, 2005, 06:24:17 PM
AhAd v 7h2d is good enough for me

AhAd v 7s2s is good enough for me


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 06:27:11 PM
Are u in a tunnel??  ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: Ironside on September 12, 2005, 06:28:44 PM
yep

I am in the dark


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: byronkincaid on September 12, 2005, 06:34:55 PM
if the blinds are say 1p/2p then I think you'd be insane not to wait unless you've got enough money that a million won't dramatically affect your lifestyle. How many hands a day would you get dealt. 600? £9 a day. £3285 a year. I think I could wait a while for a mill.


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 07:16:54 PM
I'd still get outdrawn.  >:(


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: Robert HM on September 12, 2005, 07:31:32 PM
Snoopy you've got it real bad!

Hope you get your HU confidence back..... after the blonde comp though


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: snoopy1239 on September 12, 2005, 07:47:11 PM
Snoopy you've got it real bad!

Hope you get your HU confidence back..... after the blonde comp though

I don't see why not. I'm gonna win after all.


Title: Re: HU scenario
Post by: Robert HM on September 12, 2005, 07:50:06 PM
That's better, nothing more comforting than misplaced confidence.