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Title: ? Post by: byronkincaid on December 18, 2006, 10:50:37 PM Seat 1: LWieland ($151.88 in chips)
Seat 2: XnuAA ($745.57 in chips) Seat 3: Marc12014 ($366.75 in chips) Seat 4: -Gotcha- ($511 in chips) Seat 5: Grapower ($619.20 in chips) Seat 6: shimmm ($465.75 in chips) XnuAA: posts small blind $2 Marc12014: posts big blind $5 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to -Gotcha- [Ad As] -Gotcha-: raises to $20 Grapower: folds shimmm: calls $20 LWieland: folds XnuAA: folds Marc12014: folds ----- FLOP ----- [9d 2c 9h] -Gotcha-: bets $30 shimmm: calls $30 ----- TURN ----- [9d 2c 9h][8c] -Gotcha-: bets $60 shimmm: calls $60 ----- RIVER ----- [9d 2c 9h 8c][4h] -Gotcha-: bets $95 shimmm: raises to $355.75 and is all-in -Gotcha-:? Seat 1: HARTUR ($397.50 in chips) Seat 2: -Gotcha- ($711 in chips) Seat 3: XnuAA ($726 in chips) Seat 4: PokaHunta ($426.75 in chips) Seat 5: KautoStar ($782.52 in chips) Seat 6: thedingo ($359.67 in chips) PokaHunta: posts small blind $2 KautoStar: posts big blind $5 ----- HOLE CARDS ----- dealt to -Gotcha- [Kh Kd] thedingo: calls $5 HARTUR: calls $5 -Gotcha-: raises to $30 XnuAA: folds PokaHunta: folds KautoStar: folds thedingo: calls $25 HARTUR: calls $25 ----- FLOP ----- [Ts 2c 5h] thedingo: checks HARTUR: bets $40 -Gotcha-: raises to $120 thedingo: folds HARTUR: raises to $367.50 and is all-in -Gotcha-:? Title: Re: ? Post by: theplayer_uk on December 18, 2006, 11:44:16 PM quit the table and buy in with 100, then you wont have such hard decisions
seriously thought - AA is an easy fold, KK is an easy call but you shouldn't have raised the flop Title: Re: ? Post by: byronkincaid on December 18, 2006, 11:47:25 PM what's your name on sun?
Title: Re: ? Post by: Royal Flush on December 18, 2006, 11:52:01 PM Check the river surely?
Title: Re: ? Post by: ifm on December 18, 2006, 11:53:24 PM Call them both, you must win one of them so in effect you can't lose :D
Title: Re: ? Post by: NoflopsHomer on December 18, 2006, 11:55:00 PM Title: Re: ? Post by: doubleup on December 19, 2006, 12:42:03 AM Its almost impossible without more info but i'm pretty much always folding both these.
Title: Re: ? Post by: theplayer_uk on December 19, 2006, 01:01:40 AM lol @ check the river
Title: Re: ? Post by: WellChief on December 19, 2006, 01:29:19 AM The second one is a standard fold, it all points to him having a set. Limping then calling your raise, leading out hoping for a reraise then pushing flop. Tends to be the way players play sets on crypto.
Title: Re: ? Post by: snoopy1239 on December 19, 2006, 02:34:52 AM I think you have to fold the first one. Unless he's a numpty, you're only beating a stonecold bluff, and it's not too often I see someone re-raise the River with a bag of spanners. Also, there are quite a few hands that, judging by the hand history, he could hold. A-9, 9-9, 8-8, 4-4 and 2-2 are all possibilities. That's enough for me to let it go, whether you tell us he was bluffing or not.
With regards to the second hand, this is slightly more difficult because he could have A-T, Q-Q, J-J, K-Ts, J-Ts, T-9s or even something like 9-9, 8-8, 7-7 or 6-6. Yet, on the flipside, you're only beaten by an unusually played A-A (which is unlikely) and T-T, 5-5 and 2-2. Considering that 2-2 would perhaps fold to such a chunky pre-flop bet, the amount of money you have already invested and the fact that there are more hands that you are beating (and dominating) rather than losing to, I'd make a crying call. However, I believe there are ways of avoiding such situations, and one of them might be to consider (or experiment with) flatcalling the Flop bet (on what is a seemingly harmless Flop) and seeing what he does on the Turn. After all, you have position on him and the Turn is unlikely to make too much difference. What you need to remember about overpairs is that due to your substantial pre-flop raises, they have a good idea what you have yet you aren't sure what they hold. That's a hell of an advantage to possess when you hit your hand, so you may wish to play it slightly more unpredictably. Title: Re: ? Post by: theplayer_uk on December 19, 2006, 08:23:55 AM I think you have to fold the first one. Unless he's a numpty, you're only beating a stonecold bluff, and it's not too often I see someone re-raise the River with a bag of spanners. Also, there are quite a few hands that, judging by the hand history, he could hold. A-9, 9-9, 8-8, 4-4 and 2-2 are all possibilities. That's enough for me to let it go, whether you tell us he was bluffing or not. With regards to the second hand, this is slightly more difficult because he could have A-T, Q-Q, J-J, K-Ts, J-Ts, T-9s or even something like 9-9, 8-8, 7-7 or 6-6. Yet, on the flipside, you're only beaten by an unusually played A-A (which is unlikely) and T-T, 5-5 and 2-2. Considering that 2-2 would perhaps fold to such a chunky pre-flop bet, the amount of money you have already invested and the fact that there are more hands that you are beating (and dominating) rather than losing to, I'd make a crying call. However, I believe there are ways of avoiding such situations, and one of them might be to consider (or experiment with) flatcalling the Flop bet (on what is a seemingly harmless Flop) and seeing what he does on the Turn. After all, you have position on him and the Turn is unlikely to make too much difference. What you need to remember about overpairs is that due to your substantial pre-flop raises, they have a good idea what you have yet you aren't sure what they hold. That's a hell of an advantage to possess when you hit your hand, so you may wish to play it slightly more unpredictably. I don't understand how in this hand villain can't call 22 especially vs -Gotcha- who plays very nitty especially given your response in the 99 thread. Villain limp / called in early position, he really sucks, his flop bet on this dry board is probably not a set given that it will be pretty easy to stack an overpair anyway with a small stack by merely taking c/c c/c bet or c/c bet bet line. Bet/3-betting seems quite weak because a good hand wouldn't naturally take such a strong line on a dry board. Title: Re: ? Post by: action man on December 19, 2006, 08:33:33 PM i check call/fold 1st and maybe call 2nd
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