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  Lucky25 previously had sucked out a flush after he pushed on a flop with a draw.

  Does anybody else find a call here?

   Game #2838641083: Hold'em NL ($0.50/$1) - 2006/12/20 - 20:38:37 (UK)
Table "Steelton" Seat 5 is the button.
Seat 1: Kasparoso ($102.25 in chips)
Seat 2: Mortgamst sits out
Seat 3: sharpy ($144.25 in chips)
Seat 4: Jammy_jim ($103.25 in chips)
Seat 5: andysan ($99 in chips)
Seat 6: Lucky25 ($165.50 in chips)
Seat 7: Cymru7 ($49 in chips)
Seat 8: Thehorror ($102.75 in chips)
Seat 9: Carll147 ($103.40 in chips)
Seat 10: Bonehead1 ($87.88 in chips)
Lucky25: posts small blind $0.50
Cymru7: posts big blind $1
----- HOLE CARDS -----
dealt to sharpy [Qh Qc]
Thehorror: folds
Carll147: folds
Bonehead1: folds
Kasparoso: folds
sharpy: raises to $3
Jammy_jim: folds
andysan: folds
Lucky25: calls $2.50
Cymru7: folds
----- FLOP ----- [Td 7d 9h]
Lucky25: bets $10
sharpy: raises to $40
Lucky25: raises to $162.50 and is all-in
sharpy ????????


What would anybody else do??

Why did you reraise so much on the flop?  As a general principle you should avoid raising in NL unless you have a pretty good idea what you are going to do if reraised. 

If he has a big draw, you have allowed him to get all the money in on the flop which is what he wants. 

As played I would have to call because the pot is now too big and a draw is a possibility.

I don't like this board at all really. Without having some decent info on Lucy I might consider folding here. In all I'd expect them to turn over a monster draw but a draw nonetheless and might call but I don't like it one bit. He/she could even have AA-KK.

The longer I think about it the more I think I'd have to be behind..but also wouldn't like the fold one bit.

It really depends on Lucy and what he/she's been playing with...but for now I'll say call. (which is very likely to be the wrong thing to do here)


Pre-flop, why only raise to 3 BTW?

Personally, I can't see a call.

He's called your initial raise, bet out on the flop and then pushed on your re-raise...other than a draw what could be have?

Let's face it, you're only in it for a little and you're beaten by so much here (AA, KK, TT, 99, T9) (88 is also a dangerours possibility).  If he wants to go all-in on a draw then good luck to him but I say FOLD. The value just isn't there.

I can find a fold here...

Certainly there will be better spots to get all your money in

Pass

If he is at it, then you are likely to get another spot. What are you beating? Probably only a strong draw or JJ. I couldn't be comfortable calling here unless I had prior knopwledge of similar moves by this opponent.

I would fold.

I would have called the Flop.

Given what happened, I'd fold. At worst, he has a nice draw.

Finally, it may be worth raising more pre-flop to better define your hand.

immediate flop call...........

so easy

how does raising more define our hand more?

Also we don't really want to define our hand. If we raise more it would be for value

  Thanks for the response guys.

  Looking back on the hand I should have realised that his overbet on the flop meant he was trying to protect his hand,which also meant I was behind.

  At the time I thought he was on a Flush Draw,that's why I raised it to $40.After his re-raise all-in,it was obvious I was beat,but like the Fish I am I couldn't fold.

  He had the bullets buy the way.

this is an easy call, folding is baaaaaaaaaad

If you raise to $2, then practically any hand can call you, if you raise to $144.25, then only Aces or Kings will call you. The more you raise, the easier it is to know where you stand.

On this occasion, you would have lost your entire stack.

  The reason I raised to only $3 was because a) It was a standard raise for the table that got rid of most of the chaff,b) with pocket queens I am going to want a bit of action,maybee this is not quite the right way to go about pocket queens but I'm living and learning as they say.

My advice would be to raise more pre-flop with big hands. From my experience of online cash, whether it's $3 or $5, Mateyboy will still call with his A-Q, K-Q and whatnot (hands that will be in big trouble), but will fold those tricky 9-7, J-T, 7-5s hands that are difficult to put people on.

If the flop comes raggy, you want to be confident that you are ahead. If you are letting them in with hands that can catch raggy flops, then you're making life unnecessary difficult for yourself.

Don't get greedy with big hands, if everyone folds, then so be it, they prob didn't have anything that would pay you off anyhow. The way to get paid is to get the A-Q, K-Q, etc hands to call, whilst making sure that it's not a multi-way pot.

That way, you'll find it much easier to put people on hands and decipher how strong a position you're in.

Just my 2c, but it works for me.


That's all generally speaking. On this hand though, I think your opponent played it pretty well, you didn't do much wrong apart from not folding to his all-in, but I think quite a few people would have made that call.

lol, making that call is easy and correct.

Just because he had AA, pretty results orientated to be honest.

He also just called preflop out of position which is really awful play with AA.

Making bigger raises to define your hand really sucks and if you do it at any level that people watch what you do you will lose money.

LOL

you tell me why im wrong.......

You can say LOL, but it just implies to me that you play 50nl or lower and lose. I play 1000nl and higher. I coach players at all limits

I would have gone busto too, and I make a point of coaching noone.

Ralph what you don't realise is that all winning NL cash cash players coach other people, how else would they make a living?

But you say lol at the start of your posts all the time. Does that imply that you play 50nl or lower and lose?

$25nl loser, actually!

>10bb/100 at 500nl+

Good post snoop.

What's your crypto name? If you PM me it I promise I won't tell anyone else.

I play as LAG as you want to ;)

yeah, I like the way you play. very laggy pre flop but you always seem to fold to my 3-bets :)

The AA play was bad, but the QQ was worse.  If I play the hand I lose a bit but not everything.  I would just call the flop bet - there is no reason to raise as you will only give a big draw or a better draw the opportunity to go allin.

I go bust the way played because I've made the pot to big to fold not because I have any great confidence that my hand is good.  I really don't see how you can say this is an easy call (unless opponent was a scandi)

Thats ok as long as u 3 bet him with 72o (72suited is obviosly just a call)

  Thanks for the advice.I see now that a flat call should have been the way forward on this hand.

  Another question would be is, How far along the streets is this a flat call if more rags come along and also what about an all-in on the river to a non flushing board,does anybody call then?

if flush or straight comes fold, if not shove turn

Lets say a black 3 hits the boards and he bets about 1/2 the pot or less i'm calling - if he bets anymore I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and fold.  Even calling the flop I would fold to any substantial bet on the river - tho chances are that a scare card will come and it will be checked down.  I hope you made notes on the AA as anyone who plays AA like he did will be so easy to beat given a bit of patience.

ps player uk - you must be the easiest player ever to stack

Instant call