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The government's proposal to introduce road pricing will mean you having to purchase a tracking device for your car and paying a monthly bill to use it.
The tracking device will cost about £200 and in a recent study by the BBC, the lowest monthly bill was £28 for a rural florist and £194 for a delivery driver.
A non working Mum who used the car to take the kids to school paid £86 in one month.

On top of this massive increase in tax, you will be tracked. Somebody will know where you are at all times.

They will also know how fast you have been going, so even if you accidentally creep over a speed limit you can expect a NIP with your monthly bill.

If you care about our freedoms and stopping the constant bashing of the car driver, please sign the petition on No 10's new website.

 
http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/traveltax/



 

Please pass this on to anyone who owns a car/motorcycle. It affects them.

 

signed. thanks for posting.

signed.

hmmmm

The problem is that something has to be done about greenhouse gases and congestion.

While not being able to speed might be a pain, perhaps the motorway speed limits will be raised when congestion is reduced.  Another advantage should be a reduction in car crime and uninsured drivers.

Signed!!

Signed!

Well said Sir!

let me guess..........you are going to tell us to travel by train

There are some corkers of petitions on that site.

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/fattax/ (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/fattax/)

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Sextoysandcigars/ (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/Sextoysandcigars/)

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/2TaxfreeMonths/ (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/2TaxfreeMonths/)

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/goldanthem/ (http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/goldanthem/)

These all get my full support - sod car drivers.

NO no no no NO!

Well, yes.

we could take every car of the road in britain and it wouldnt make a blind bit of difference..the reason why is the chinese explosion in car owners...its exponential in its increase and is seen as the must have...

i would dump the car tommorrow if we had a viable alternative that worked and was safe..we dont

also is car tax not meant to be for the upkeep of the roads so i presume this will be dispensed with...again doubt it

also it seems that the main way to ease congestion is to tax the car and petrol...that would seem to lead to ensuring that wealth determines who drives as opposed to need ...so i dont fancy the methodology

my solution would be to have state owned or non  profit public transport...and not run by quangos either...if that could be made safe , efficient and economically viable i`d go for it...
instead we have 8 different bus companies running the same routes in competition which is neither economic, enviromentally firendly or safe.
we have train track fragmented throughout regions,owned by one company and travelled on by another company who pay royally for it and therefore whos main interest is in charging for it.
no one is interested in the enviroment just a business model of competition and market forces for transport..whch doesnt work
if it keeps up we`ll be sold our own pavement and charged for wearing shoes on it...

right rant over...aahh thats better

Good spot Andrew. Are they ALL scams?

http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/fattax/


quality

the average man just can't take another £100 a month out of his pocket. If your financially well off then it's great but you pay so much tax nowadays it's to much.

A young male 18-30 now pays out 50p of every pound he earns in taxes.

It will not lower congestion, it will take away more of your civil liberty and you will pay 10 times what you do now in terms of tax on your car.

 :goodpost: ;iagree;

A bit of an exaggeration - however how can we put set an example for the rest of the world if we do nothing.


Unfortunately high price/low demand is the way the world works.  Also the effect of global warming on the poorest regions of the world should not be forgotten


Absolutely couldn't agree more, there is no point whatsover in attempting to reduce car use without providing safe affordable and reliable alternatives.

The world is taking too much each month from its bankroll - it's has to reduce this to a sustainable amount.  Whether this particular initiative is going to be effective or not has yet to be seen, but rejecting it out of hand isn't the way forward.

Signed.

People who drive cars with larger engines that have poorer fuel consumption are already paying more tax to use the roads!  Tax on petrol.  It's higher here than almost anywhere else in the world.  Is it reducing congestion - no.

We need better roads, wider motorways, proper investment.  Yes, do the same thing for public transport - but it's not a feasible alternative - and won't be for many years.

There are other things that can be done, this isn't one of the better ideas.  Congestion charging and tolls on certain roads at certain times might be a solution - if people could find an alternative way to travel.

Anyway, I'm off out - in my thirtsy beast that only does 25mpg (on a good day).

To all of you who voted labour:


Thankyou....

Mugs, tell them poker is not taxed.

you're welcome

don't particularly agree with this policy but if the Tories got in I'd be up shit creek and so would most familys with 1.5 incomes and a couple of kids.

Some of us believe in a moderate socialist ideal. higher taxes and more state involvement. better standard of life for those nearer the bottom of the ladder. state funded schools, hospitals, pension etc.

something has to be done to break our reliance on the car. I would still drive to work despite there being a decent train line to the town I work in. however, I would be more likely to walk into town on a saturday rather than drive. I'd be more likely to car pool for thinks like my martial arts sessions where a dozen cars turn up when only three need do so. most people make some unnecessary car journeys that a harsh measure like this would stop. I do think this is a mis-step because it hits the people at the bottom of the ladder pretty hard. that said, if there is a sliding scale for payment depending on the car you drive I might be more in favour. big saloons and 4x4s paying more ;applause;

There is a sliding scale - petrol duty.

Any increase on the cost of driving wil not penalise the more wealthy with large cars.  It will penalise the poorer.  The nurse who has to drive to work every day in their 1.0 Corsa.  Only fair I guess that they contribute more - so that the cost for them to own and drive a car is closer to those in the big gas guzzlers  :dontask:

but if that's not enough and this measure is brought in, will that also be on a sliding scale?

I hate pretty much all our main current political parties but bladdy hall meight.

Its labour who are privatising our industires, they've sold off the NHS, they've sold off everything they can think of onto lucrative PFI contracts that are awarded for 20-30 years, make fat profit great, dont make profit well the goverment has to fork out its a no-risk high reward option and leads to crap service.

As for the people lower down being better off are you taking the piss?

Under gordon brown your pension contributions are taxed, and your pensions are being cut in real terms as they dont rise in line with inflation.
Anyone relying on a state pension is in for a rude awakening.

state funded schools? lol, "city academies" that offer worse results than what was there before but get labour donours nice titles.

Education for all? Great, part of the labour manifesto was no university fees, and what happens?

Billions wasted on expensive computer systems that fail to deliver, the firm cant pay so the government has to.
Child support lol, payments months late - payments lost, proposed writing off all child support debts etc.

NHS IT system? utter shambles.

Defence - defence procurement is ridiculous, the uk army still uses uncoded radio while we wait for a replacement system.
The standard army rifle is the SA80, a shambles of a rifle.
We went into Iraq without body armour because the goverment didnt want it to look like we were going into Iraq.
Our transport planes are without insulating foam to protect from RPG fire - but its been standard on US transport planes since vietnam.

NHS? Huge cutbacks because government funding is inadequate for rising healthcare costs resulting in cuts for nurses, creating a huge surplus in nurses allowing health trusts to pay as little as possible for nursing.

The reason this country is so shit is because people wont educate themselves on the political realities.

The health service isnt "free" its rationed because there isnt the supply to cope with demand.
The defence service is overstretched and underfunded
Our transport network is a joke - the train system cant cope so with one hand they raise fares and on the other they say cars are bad so use the rail network.



The UK and the US are not democracies, they are political systems run by and for the elite - remember we invented "democracy" - it was great, it was a way for fat landowners and barons to control the country while promising the people the earth, how little have things changed.

And then you go and blame the tories.

Fair enough they may have been cocks in the past but Margeret Thatcher solved a lot of the UKs economic problems, and like any big economic fix it had huge repercussions and families suffered. But how much would we be suffering now if we were subsidising tens of thousands of miners, and had militant unions ?
We'd be in a huge national debt in a situation where an individual would be declared bankrupt if they were in the same situation ( ie the position france is in now - fucked ).


Feel free to disagree with anything I've said but blindly voting for labour or the conservatives or the lib dems is insanity.

The political system is so awful in this country and in most countries, yet we are comfortable in our cesspit of mediocrity.

We banned the slave trade yet we endorse goverments that create economic slavery in third world countries - NIMBYism at its best.

Bah.

You read papers and watch news created by corporations with vested interests, our politicians are lobbied by those with the money to do so.
We have an unelected upper house and judicial overview.

We have no written constitution so we cant change the system very easily.

Oh PS: Sorry for derailing this thread but there you go.

I thought the Greek's did, i may be wrong though.



Where do you think most car users are?

no, it aint a typo :)

firstly, calm down and play nice.

you can't blame labour for privatisation, that's a tory legacy

when I left school Thatcher was still in charge and there was 10 million unemployed. the health service was in ruins and the grammer schools were leaps and bounds ahead of the under funded state schools.

health service 'cut backs' may appear to be going on but there's huge wastage in the NHS and that's the focus. The current administration spends Billions more than the tories did.

University. 20 years ago far less working class kids went to uni. I don't know the figures but I wouldn't be suprised if more than double the 18 year olds went to uni compared to 20 years ago. that needs paying for and to ask graduates to contribute from their higher expected earnings isn't distasteful to everyone.

"Margeret Thatcher solved a lot of the UKs economic problems" I would say caused rather than solved. The best thing to come out of thatcherism is new labour. you're dead right about the militant unions and their grip over old labour. that needed changing.

try not to get too heated about this here though. blondites are a very mixed political bag. best not to get on our soap boxes too much

the middle of the ladder.

two car families, school runs to walking distance schools. shopping trips in the big saloons or 4x4s.

The "proposed" scheme just wouldnt work - pure and simple.

Why? Simple economics.

Increase in delivery/transport costs will only drive up the price of goods/services - which inturn will increase the demand for higher wages and also increase borrowings. Just look at the hike in fuel prices over the last 10 years or so, alot higher than inflation - has this reduced the amount of traffic? Of course not.

Net effect? SAME amount of traffic.

Also a point on Global warming, there are many arguments (both scientific and other) as to why the "Global Warming" theory is flawed.

Tracking devices CAN be fitted to your car now AT YOUR OWN CHOICE. Which imo is how it should be.

you're right but that's a tricky argument to win. good luck

As tricky an argument to win as your "Big Saloons, 4x4 users should pay more" - WHY?!?

If person A earns 5x more than person B , why should person A pay MORE for something than person B - would you expect person A to pay more for a pint of Lager in a pub than person B? Of course not, so why would you in this?

the recent survey done by the bbc was of 4 people in the midlands using busy roads

what has failed to be pointed out is the fact with the current proposals fuel duty will be removed bringing our petrol prices inline with the USA

the current propsal is not to penailise the motorist in any way it will if effective actaully bring less into the treasuary as it get people off the roads during peak times to allow traffic to flow

being a rural user of the roads i would object having to pay road tax at the same rate as somene in the heart of england where they have motorways coming out of there earholes while i have to travel on cattle tracks to get from city to city

aint i glad that the government let me off with having to pay my road tax due to the fact i have difficulties getting on 90% of the buses

bring on the new road charging i say

Spot on mate!

Karl said so.

When was the last time any government took any notice of a petition?
Seriously there must be 2 or 3 a week, people delivering reams of paper, thousands of signatures petitioning for different things but it is very naive to think governments would do anything on the strength of public opinion unless it is close to an election.
The only thing that seems to have caused problems to the government in relation to petrol/motorists was when the fuel distribution centres were blocked by disgruntled hauliers/stroppy welsh farmers a couple of years ago and people went into a panic and queued up at their local filling station to top up their already 3/4 full tank "just in case".

The other strange thiing about that demo was everyone started driving more sedately on the roads to save fuel it was rather strange to see everyone driving at a steady pace rather than flat out. As a driver for a living the result was less jams on the road which made my life easier.

Britain is a densely populated country, particularly here in the London and the South East. Not only that, but the nature of the employment of a large portion of the population requires them to commute to work in the same direction at roughly the same time as everyone else in the morning and go back again at roughly the same time as everyone else in the evening. Obviously this results in chaos.

We need fewer people travelling about. At one time, people using technology and working from home, or using flexitime to alter their hours was seen as the answer, but that hasn't materialised.

The only guaranteed long-term solution to congestion on the roads is fewer people, full stop. London is full. If you're not here at the moment, stay where you are - don't come here. You'll hate it, honestly. There are people everywhere. Wherever you go, people. A lot of them aren't even from here, yet they're complaining about how busy it is, not realising they're part of the problem. 'I can't believe I'm stuck in traffic all morning - it's not like this back in Gloucester'. No? Well sod off and take your Chelsea tractor back there then.

If Britain is so s**te, why are people queing up to get here?

you know what people are like doubleup

start a queue and people will join even if they dont know what the queue is for

:)

Because it is a lot better than the eastern block/ asian countries that they were born in, but quite a few of the brits are migrating to Spain / Portugal / France & the USA. This is to get away from a over taxed, second rate country that was once great, where people cared about their neighbours, had community spirit, where civility and manners where commonplace and there was a sense of pride in being British.

signed

I have no car, but I do own two bikes, if anyone wants to loan one just ask.

Why shouldn't you pay for the destruction your car causes.

The method and prices can be debated but to be effective the price must be high enough discourage car use.

Try to live a week without using your car, if you live in a town or city it is not that difficult.

Ah yes, but successive administrations/local governments have destroyed our local town centres with their approval of planning applications for huge hypermarkets/shopping malls in fields miles from the nearest town centre.

when was the last time you saw a new housing development in a town centre ? (and I mean family housing, not 1 person shoeboxes overlooking some manky river ?

And why is it the anti-car lobby always use emotive words like "destructive". The simple fact is that cars amount for less than 6% of the carbon footprint of this country. There are much bigger offenders - the Goverment cannot seriously tax the crap out of the motorist and then leave the airline industry alone. That is of course, if they were seriousl about any of this....

You are right Laz, the way things are organised it makes practical sense for most people to have cars and of course use of aviation fuel should be taxed in proportion as well.

The main problem is use of carbon based fuels, there are other less damaging fuels solutions but the economic and social changes required to make them viable are colossal.

BTW - I don't count myself as part of the 'anti-car lobby' the main reason I don't drive is because I've never been arsed to learn or had a good enough reason to. I'm just trying to point out that it is not impossible to use your car less.

The problem is that it becomes an emotive subject. The last thing people want to hear while stuck in a traffic jam on their way to work is some chauffered goverment minister telling them that they shouldnt be driving anymore.

All these people are guilty of is trying to get to their work. In order to pay tax, to pay the salaries of these politicians. But ultimately they are the ones who get clobbered for it, because they cant do anything about it.

There is a place about 10 miles north of Edinburgh called Dalgety bay. This has become popular with commuters because house prices in the capital have gone thru the roof. This area has become one of the largest housing developments in the country. The only problem is, the two places are seperated by 1 mile of water (the forth). The present bridge is crumbling and talks are underway to build a new one. So far we have heard opinions that the new bridge will give priority to buses, only one lane open for cars, punitive tolls for people who only have one person in their car etc.  How can the people who live in this area feel anything less than let down ? They are being virtually forced to live there thru economic need.

Currently for me to go to work by public transport would take 2.5 hours. For me to go an visit my parents (a 10 minnute drive) would take the best part of 40 minutes (providing the buses turn up on time). Any politician who thinks that they are going to change peoples attitudes to taking the car given figures like this, is living in cloud cuckoo land.

A village where my mate lives has one form of public transport a once a week bus service to the nearest town and back. He's quite glad he drives.

does he live near me?

Im not disagreeing with you about the global warming. the 'facts' and arguments are quite interesting and the counter argument to the existense of global warming are rarely mentioned. I'm just saying you'll have a hell of a job convincing people and I wish you luck if you are going to try.

your other point, the legislation assumes that global warming is a fact and that car emissions are a major contributary factor. if person A earns more than person B but drives the same car they shouldn't pay more. If person A spends their extra money on a more poluting car then the green tax in question should impact them more. with the exeption of income tax, person A need pay no more for anything than person B.

and Flushie, I'm a moderate socialist, not a Marxist. there's a world of difference. that said, I'm closer to the basic ideology of Marxism than Thatcherism. I believe a decent basic standard of living should be guaranteed to all and I don't mind paying for it.

Flushy gets top Marx.

But this is NOT a petition.......! It's a spoof, ffs! Can't believe folks are actually signing it.....!

I expect Thewy to, but the rest of ya......

Thatcher rocked!!

Ever since Brown got onto power he has bumped the taxes on everything and invented a thousand new ones!!
On the subject of cars, we have always been told to switch to diesel because it's better for the environment, cheaper, more efficient etc. so what happens?
Diesel is now a hell of a lot more expensive than petrol!!!!!!!!!

errrr it was Thatcher's ideology that fkd up the public transport system in this country (although Labour has done nothing to reverse this).

Damn her for promoting the stupid idea of capitalism.

thats not possible. Everybody knows you are the only gay in the village...

 ;shitfanhit;

are you saying that Barhells mate is homosexual ?

Something that is a rip off about car tax - if you don't show it in your window, you can get a fine yet we are constantly reminded that the only place the police have to look to see if you car is taxed or not is on their database! Look there then, there should be no need for us to have the bit of paper.

Groan.


I made a rare break from 'no politics on an internet forum' rule, must stop that it never ends well.


P.S. Bring back Maggie (i ain't joking)

A quick thank you to everyone that has supported the petition, it has just been reported on the 1 o'clock news that over 181,000 have visited the website and added their support

Not a scam Tikay