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Ok, its 4/8 NL Cash and you have been playing heads up for about 20 minutes, your image is very loose.. raising every pot from the button (sb) and betting flops regardless. His image is loose but he plays flops passively, if he hits, he check raises, if he misses he check folds most of the time. You have approx $1200 infront of you, and him approx $620

Anyway, Your in the SB....

$4 sb, button, you have AJ of spades. You make it the usual, $24 to go.
Your opponent onthe BB reraises to $64 and you decide to call and see a flop.

Flop comes K J 4 rainbow..

Your oppo leads out with $80.
What do you do?

I will post further on this hand when i get a couple of replies...

I would call, see what the turn brings and how he bets it.

Yeah same for me.

Why are you playing cash btw? If you play SNG's would the rake not be much less?

Neither of these were me btw... i was bored and was watching some cash action this morning when this hand arose, i thought it was a strange one so wanted your opinions...

Flop comes K J 4 rainbow..

Your oppo leads out with $80.

You call..

Turn K - bringing two diamonds out there now.... (K J 3 K board..)

Your oppo, first to act now fires out $180 into the pot...

Its your turn?..

You are beating AQ and a number of pocket pairs and way behind AA KK AK QQ JJ.

His c-bet doesn't mean anything but it is unlikely that he will bet the turn with hands you beat most of which have very few outs.  So I agree with the consensus that calling is best.

Im folding on the flop when he bets into me. In cash you get to see so many hands that flops need to fit or get the fuck out of there.

Also, i hate calling on that flop. You want to find out there and then if you are winning, raising is the second best play imo.If he has AQ/1010 pp below that he folds with that board.

You also want to determine NOW the strength of his hand. If he has AA/KK he will prolly flat call, trips he's all-in. Worst scenario is he has AK and A comes on turn= ur stacked.

I'm folding the turn - if he's betting a hand I beat then there will be a better spot to get his money later.

That was my first thought, but a raise would have to be to about 200 - this is quite a lot to pay for information that you will prob get if he bets the turn.

Yep, thats very true. Thats why i fold, avoid marginal hands in cash games.

He has AJ aswell

I would probably pass on the turn.

Your oppo, first to act now fires out $180 into the pot...

Its your turn?..

Ok, you decide to flat call the $180 again...

River comes 6 of diamonds, putting 3 diamonds out there - runner runner mind.. (K J 3 K 6 board)

Your oppo pushes his last $300 + shrapnel all in.................??

He calls and the other player shows AQd?

WOW, the turn card has changed from a King to a Jack.

Neet trick!! ;)

If I called the turn I would have to call the river.

Edit but if I was planning to put more money in post flop I would rather have raised the flop.

No it hasnt :D   ;shame;

I would have folded on the flop.
Had I taken over on the turn, I would have folded there.
On the river, once again, I'd fold.

As you must have seen a showdown to be able to comment on this hand, I take it I am wrong?

It would be interesting to hear someone who supported the way the hand was played explain the reasoning behind playing it like that, and the range of hands you would have put the opponent on..

I'm raising flop like a lot, esp hu

i raise him out of his seat if he bets the flop

Call

Actually i like a fold here

On 3rd thoughts, a raise seems best

I think dubai has it right in one of his above posts

 ;iagree;

Problem 1.

He re-raises a chunk pre and you call with a horribly marginal hand facing a re-raise.

Problem 2.

Quote- "His image is loose but he plays flops passively, if he hits, he check raises, if he misses he check folds most of the time."

Solution 1-  Combining the fact he re-raises preflop and leads out strong on the flop, what hands are you beating. His re-raising range and strength being displayed make this a clear fold imo. Stinks of AK.

Solution 2- You call flop bet and then K comes. Now you feel it is less likely he has a king and think your jack is good. You call, become pot commited and wonder why you play poker.

Solution 3- You raise, he re-raises. HE IS PASSIVE WHEN HE MISSES THE FLOP. Only thing ur beating is AQd. And not by much.

excellent post.

I call the flop because i will find out where i am on the turn because i have position.

I fold the turn. He has JJ imo.

This is one of those situations that it doesn't really matter what he has...if he can bet it it's mosty likely beating you and you can't call IMO.

very easy fold.