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I invested into pokertracker in November and my statistics are slowly beginning to reach a size that allows to draw conclusions about my play. In particular, I was looking at my 'Known Final Hand Summary' earlier on. My Won%at Showdown is below 50% for High Card, One Pair and Two Pair (44% for that), and those three totals are negative, too.

I was wondering, is that the same for everyone else, i.e. that you only have a positive net total from three of a kind onwards? I can understand the high card bit, but was thinking that for pairs and even more for two pair, I should have a positive expectation?

Second question, if anyone knows, as this statistic only shows the results when it went to showdown, is there a statistic that includes hands where my bet induced a fold?

Any comments would be appreciated.

I'm pretty certain that the hand type includes hands folded e.g you fold 72 in the bb after a raise and a call the flop is AA2 this shows as 2pr and a loss of a big blind.

Moritzey, I 've only been using PT for a couple of months so my data may be a bit flawed (About 30,000 hands).

If it helps my stats are 1 pair 46.2%, and 2 pair 59.6%.
Not sure how to interpret data yet, and have focussed more on using it to categorise opponents.

(Showdown stats dont include folded hands)

Jak.

The won at showdown stats obviously don't include folded hands, but the monetary totals on the same table do.  The showdown % also include hands that you would've folded to a river bet e.g you call with a flush draw and hit bottom pair and the river goes check/check.

All in all this summary is pretty useless.


Edit hmmm oddly my stats on crypto appear to include every hand i.e folded or not, but the stats on stars don't......

I'm red for those three hands as well (2 pair only just).

Bear in mind that the Two Pair category covers lots of situations with a paired board, when two pair is not actually a very strong hand at all.

In Poker Office you can filter more than in PT - for me here Two Pair with a paired board is red, whereas Two Pair when the board is not paired is green.

OK, cool, thanks for all your replies. What Andrew just said makes a lot of sense, I suppose, as in that two pair isn't necessarily a very strong hand as such, and also the thing about missed flush-draws / straight-draws that could appear as one or two pair in the statistic - it would be nice to be able to filter those hands out, or even better, filter out all hands that were checked-down from the blinds .. will have a closer look at the software later to see if I can find something like that.