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you get  Ahrt Kd, blinds 25/50 stack 2000. There are 2 limpers and you raise in the cut off to 300. SB calls as do the 2 limpers.

3 players see the flop of  Aspades Ks Qs

The pot is 1250

Its checked to you, what do you do?

Not sure, I'd either check and take the free card and pray it's not another spade, or bet 600 then fold to a raise.

I would take my chances and go all in.

I bet 3/4 of the pot and call any push. Moving all-in won't get anyone with a flush or straight to fold but worse hands will fold. But a decent size bet might get a raggy ace, perhaps with a single spade to call or raise us all-in.

First of all you ain't passing, especially if you bet.

I would just ship it in.

Push in, some mug will call with a spade draw.

yep, and hit! lol

haha agreed!

Push/ 3 players are in a pot one might have a flush let it be

That's a tough situaton.

The only hands that will check to you here are folk with nothing (i.e. small pocket pair, ace rag with no spades or something like that). The only other hand that would check to you here is the guy who has flopped a flush.

I think hands that would bet out here are sets, and straights and two pair in order to protect against a possible flush draw.

so a bet of about 600-800 from you is in order here.

The problem is that it will only leave you with 1100-900 chips and if you are re-raised you then have a big decision. In fact if you are flat called you also have a big decision. You are pretty much committed to the hand now as half you starting stack is in the middle.

I think shoving all in on the flop means you will only be called by a better hand. and you don't want that!



Here's something else to think about though.

If you had made your opening bet 200 rather than 300 and got the same callers.

the pot would only be 850

so a bet of 400 on the flop would let you find out where you stand. You would now have 1400 chips left so you would at least have a chance at getting away from it.

Bit harsh but i disagree with most of this. But thats the beauty of poker. Any small probe type bet that gets called could spark a calling domino chain. This then means that dodgy flush draw wil be getting the odds. And there a lot of cards on the turn that scare the shite out of you.
A made flush is unlikely, unlikely enough to make disregarding it reasonable given the size of the pot. A set is unlikely as the big pairs AA and KK would likely as not be re-raising preflop. QQ is possible but you have to chance it.

The likelihood is much greater that weaker hands will call you.

AQ/AJ/A10 could all call you here. JsX might too.

The worst possible thing for you to do is make a weak lead type bet, encouraging action on a borad where any J,10 or spade scares the bejeezus out of you.

Given that you said the starting stack was only 2000, i take it the buy-in isnt huge, so the player quality isnt great.

One word, shove.

LOLZ serious?!

it's a check and bet out on the turn if checked to you again.

okay now i've read everyones replies i feel the need to lecture a little on TOURNAMENT STRATERGY. you have 1700 left! that's 34 BB. thirty fucking four!! and you're thinking of PUSHING?! jesus fucking christ you have a playable stack behind you and you're going to push when there's every chance someone has checked with J10 or a made flush. i thought we stopped overplaying AK after we broke through .01/.02 limit?! would you not check that board if you had J10 or a made flush? OF COURSE YOU WOULD. and who knows one of the two players before you may have. but OH NO LETS PUSH AND HOPE. terrible terrible tournament play. at such an early stage. you have 6 BB dedicated to the pot and you want to chuck the remaining 34 in IN HOPE. i'm disgusted. wheres the spanking smilie when you need one??!?

Well yeah of course it could but an opening bet of 6xBB  into an unraised pot COULD spark a folding domion chain also. and when you have AK you want people to call. I don't want to just pick up the blinds with AK early in a MTT.

At the end of he day when you raise with AK you want hands like KQ, KJ, AJ, AT etc.... to come along for the ride

If the table is full of calling stations then fair enough your raises need to be bigger but the guy said in his post it was the opening stages of an MTT so we have no idea what the table is like. So I would make standard raises until someone gives me a reason not to.

Going all in is insane and smacks of someone who does not like to play on the flop and can't be arsed to take a minute and think what the oher guy might have.

No way is pushing "terrible tournament play."

It's a good flop for your hand, given the pot to stack ratio. PLENTY of worse hands can call a push on the flop including other 2 pairs, gutshots with flush draws, pairs and gutshots even. Maybe some kipper with just an ace. Early doors of tournaments there's lots of bad players' chips about which you should be aiming to pick up. I've seen allins on flops like these called by A2 at least in tournaments up to 100$ level.

If you were deeper to the pot, then you could play the hand more cautiously. As it is, I think it's bad to bet and fold to a riase and bad to check. Therefore, pushing is ok. At less than 1.5 x the pot it's hardly a massive overbet! (1700 into a 1250 pot)

Of course you sometimes run into a flopped bigger hand. This is pretty unfortunate but when you do you'll have outs. Most of the time you will pick up the pot right now or be called by an inferior or possibly coinflipping hand.

I don't mind making a half pot bet either here, willing to commit to or even possibly pass on a bad turn. If it gets raised on the flop  then I'd be going with it, bar some unusually knowledgeable read I had on someone.

How can anyone even think of checking this flop? There are 15 danger cards that could hit on the turn. fif fucking teen!! :)

The made flush is very unlikely, seeing as the ace of spades is out, and I'd lay big odds on the straight being there already too.

Either bet 3/4 to full pot, and call and push, or keep it simple and chuck them in yourself.

I cannot believe anyone is considering checking or folding this hand , your after raising 6 x BB and with the top 3 spades on the board its extremely unlikely anyone has a flush unless ur dealing with complete kippers ! also i find it unlikely that anyone had J10  and if they have good luck to them

Either bet the pot and commit yourself or else just push ALL IN there and then , that really shud be the only choices u have to make here.

P.S all this balony about "tournament life" and "34 BB's" is a bit ridiculous imo , if your not gonna gamble early in a tourney when will you ?

It's simple you either double up and get a nice foothold in a tourney or else you start another one , having not wasted anytime waiting for AA (just to be sure your ahead)

i stand by my statements. and my record. thankyou. i'm no folding machine. but no fucking way do i ever push in hope here. you don't have to gamble to win tournaments. you just have to pick your spots. and this couldn't really be anymore dangerous. and thinking about tournament life is ridiculous? you sound very insecure with your ability to make back chips after losing a mere 18% of your stack at an early stage. that is if you go on to lose the hand!
also the idea that someone isn't going to be in there with J10 is unrealistic. people call big raises with J10 all the time because it's believed it can crack monsters. even with only 40 BB. yeah. that happens. it's possible. and they'd check the flop because they'd know someone would have a peice of it to info bet on the flop behind them.

Tempor ....... I think you need a doctor , you seem to have a case of TLS (tournament life syndrome)
 
SHIP SHIP SHIP and expect to see AJ KQ A10

P.S if the original poster gonna inform us as to what happened here ? (not that the outcome is relevant to making the right move )

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not to THAT EXTENT is what i mean.

I push