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I was seriously considering playing the EPT event at the Vic in 12 days time. As a one off...I've saved up part of some winnings and I have no incidental expenses so why not? or so I thought

However events in Barcelona, and before that at the Paris WPT, have made me think twice

Most of this is discussed in the live update from the event but to reiterate:

a) The structure was brutal. At one stage on the second day 27 players became 10 or so in under an hour as desperate players lumped it in with Q9 versus K7 for example...a complete crapshoot

b) This followed the Paris WPT event where 90 minute levels became 60 minute levels became 30 minute levels

c) The "random" table draw produced a TV table with EPT and WPT winners only. Quelle Surprise!

d) Playing Conditions were described as cramped and unacceptable

Whilst I accept it might be different at the Vic, what comfort do I have?


If I'm going to fork over £3000, why am I going to do it for a potential crapshoot?

Surely organisers need to quickly add extra days (these numbers of players mean a three day event not a two day event? surely?)

Why do those who regularly play these put up with it?

Your thoughts please

They changed the structure in a comp I played once and it totally threw me, I've been leery of the venue ever since

Red, you mean the Vic changed the structure on you?

No, it wasnt the Vic, I slagged them off at the time so Im not going to open an old sore, I was just making the point that its totally unfair to pay your money expecting one thing and then get something else entirely

Thx Red, I understand the point now.

I too played in a few comps, on these occasions whole blind levels were removed, renders completely useless any strategies you might have been following and would have changed previous plays

Hated it

c is an advantage for most people i would have thought.

absolutely Byron, but why go through the pretence that the draw is Random?

yeah that is a bit dodgy isn't it

Slightly off topic,  this is where I think poker will benefit from coming away from casinos and into clubs like Yongsta is trying to set up.  Organised by poker players for poker players.

As poker continues to boom and the tv companies jump on board though,  I fear less regard for players.  I get angry when a £5 rebuy goes to rat shit.  If I paid £3k and they changed the structure I'd be arrested.

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Roy the boy has written a piece on this.

I can't believe it was more chaotic than the NECS.

Mind you have heard the NECS champion is now favourite for the WSOP $10k PLO event  ;D

I'll take the bet....

Funny thing is it seems there was more play in the Pokerstars satellites into the event than the actual event itself!!

Think you are forgetting the greatest poker player in the world ( he has a NECS trophy to prove it) has his own website come Thursday. Not any website, oh no a website edited by the Gary Bushell of Poker Ariston. By January Mercedes, Rolex, Toshiba and Pound Stretcher will have agreed to pay 'The Man' into every event at the WPT, EPT, WOP & P4C. Bet against it at your peril!!!!!

I wrote something about the structure before the event in Barcelona even started

How can a 4000 euro event have a 45 min clock?

The Vic last year was a 45 min clock. Very much like Barcelona......

Why isn't their a standard strcucture for all these EPT events as they have the same buy in?

Deauville was brilliant - 75 min clock... they should all be like that.

I have been dealing with sponsorship for Ian admittedly. Companies so far signed up include Mcdonalds, Burger King, KFC and Pantene (because hes worth it  ;D)

Don't slag it until you have been to a P4C event. Then you have every right to complain, and I am sure the promoter will listen to you...... as long as P4C get a mention in the Telegraph.  ;D

LoL@Ariston  ;D

Is there a company called www.menthatdrivegirlscars.com?

When I phoned the Vic to ask for the structure of the main event (as it has been ommitted from their nice colour brochure), here is the reply i got
"We have not yet decided on the structure, as it is televised, it will depend on the number of players and the time taken"

Not the answer I was looking for for a £3000 buy in comp.

Also, the £1000 f/o at the start of the week is only 5000 points to start with, so after only 2 hours (if you find no hands or fail to steal a few pots/blinds)you will become short stacked

VERY poor i thought.

I am giving the £1000 a wide berth..... for the money i just don't think you get enough chips simple as that.

Hmmmm "We have not yet decided on the structure, as it is televised, it will depend on the number of players and the time taken"

I'll tell you what that will mean......

If as expected they sell out it will be a 45 min clock. The reason that the EPT Barcelona could not be extended despite the number of runners is because the Pokerstars TV crew were booked to go home on the Sunday.

What players want comes at the bottom of their thinking.

Players could boycott big buyin crapshoot strcuctures but i doubt they will.

I played this on the Monday night of the last Vic week, the week Tony g won the big one

It happened to me, found nothing for an hour and was out at 11.30 having pushed it in with AQ short stacked and lost a race

A lot of the faces gambled to get chips quick..eg Gosney, Grech,Vogl,Duthie on my starting table were gone before the 100-200 level

Complete waste of money for me with that structure, the £300 on the Sunday was no quicker so there was better value in that!!

Next week there are cheaper events at the Gutshot festival with a similar structure but...slightly longer clocks

I know where I'm going

IMO the Vic gets tournaments all wrong, but do they care?...like hell they do...get you knocked out and into the cash games, that's the mantra

Seemed strange that the Omaha Double Chance (again £1000 buy in) you get 10,000 points.

Tight End?

Any seats left for the £500 at the gutshot do you know?

TightEnd you beat me to it, i was about to post about the Gutshot events.

Ok the Venue might not be as nice, but at least you know you wont have strucutres shifted on you, also given that a lot of the "top" players will be at the Vic it should mean that the gutshot is clear for us fish to clean up!!!

Two other things....rant developing now

a) For the EPT biggie next week you all have to turn up at 2.30pm on the Friday to find out if you are playing day 1 (Friday at 4pm) or Day 2 (Sat at 3pm)...how daft is that? surely they can allocate you a day when you pay your money...what's the f ing point of turning up at 2.30 on the Friday to be told to come back 24 hours later? Oh, so you stay and play cash of course!!!

b) if the names boycott it, they'll just fill it with more satellite qualifiers and kids who want the exposure...the name players don't seem to have any leverage here


I wish someone could get this stuff through to Duthie...it's damaging the EPT's reputation

I don't but I'm there on Thursday for a private event, and intend paying in to stuff then

I'll try to remember to post after then

or check the gutshot forum now I suppose

Also for the £1000 Omaha. If you make the final and draw day 1 of the EPT what happens as there will be a clash?

They can't be expecting to provide a decent structure because they have a £300 scheduled for the Day 2 when the runners combine.....

I also heard that you actually have to turn up on Day 1 even if you buy your ticket beforehand just to draw your seat and get told you are scheduled for Day 2. If they wanted to they could do what the WPT does and allocate you a day when you buy a ticket.

They just want players there so they play the tables.

Tsk

Ben, are you playing the biggie?

I know you love the big events, but if you don't mind me asking, can't you use your cash better in your bread and butter games?

Tightend, Flushie as you are both P4C Platinum members I thought I would share this with you.

In 2006 P4C will hold a Platinum members only NLHE tournament. As the name suggests the tournamentis open to P4C Platinum Members only. In addition players will be expected to be members of BlondePoker and THM as well. The tournament is a £250 double chance freezeout NO REGESTRATION FEE at a venue in London. The folowing evenig will see the Platinum club piss up dinner at £50 / head which includes top quality food and premier after dinner speaker. At present we are looking at 2hr clock and big starting chips.  Only P4C Platinum members will be invited ..... and yes that includes you IRONSDE (my impatial money is on the Scot!).

sounds marvellous, can't wait

a small request from me, weekends often difficult as I have the kids, midweek would be fantastic (if you don't ask, you don't get!)...but obviously do what's best for the majority

Probably. I get sponsored by Betfair for some events. Whether that happens for this event or not doesn't stop me being just as annoyed when the players don't get a fair deal.

If i am running well i will probably play. I decided i wanted to play in all the EPT season 2 events. If the structure really is terrible then i may think again.

This event is less than two weeks away yet they haven't decided the structure.

Not good enough.

Whats all this the majority is best nonsense?  At P4C/G4L worl it's ' He gets in first gets in best'.  Seriously looking at tourney on a Thrsday starting at 5pmish? and dinner on Friday at 8pm.

Does that suit?

Ben agreed, and of course you are sponsored into some events


Davey, Thursday perfect, the Friday is less likely but not impossible....let's see when you have some dates in mind

Ben you are cool, would you seriously consider not laying an event that you are paid into? I would, that and the fact I am s*** at poker is a very real reson why I could never be sponsored. But you would play, no matter te structure if paid in, right?

Tightend, PM me your number, I will call you. We will do our best to accomodate you as you are a star, a modest one to boot.

If i thought the structure was so bad that it was a waste of my sponsors money then i would simply not ask to be put into that event.

With a 45 min clock although its not great i have played and done well in comps with that struture. But 4000 Euro events should be a 60 min clock at least ... it makes such a difference.

Davey for the last time, McDonalds does not cost £50!! And rambling whilst drunk does not make you a "premier after dinner speaker!!"

Seriously though sounds like a good laugh! Will 'the great one' be playing?

Just who is the great one?????????????

Angie of course.....

Remember her and Gus, diffrent level.....is that how the saying goes?

Sorry mate I trained Angie, it's me and Guas on a different level. Mathmatical Poker, scarey but fun.

But, remember Angie is really Trace, and her cat is very nice

Angie is NOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT Trace!!!

but I still like the cat avatar.......