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$50 STT, on the bubble. Payout 50/30/20/0
Stakes: 150/300 Current level: 5 Next level in: 1 min. 

Seat 1 : Son0fZeus has $2,680
Seat 5 : bigdaddy815 has $3,250
Seat 6 : markm456 has $6,370
Seat 8 : red wirral has $5,700
Son0fZeus is the dealer.

bigdaddy815 posted small blind.
markm456 posted big blind.

Dealing Hole Cards.
Seat 1 : Son0fZeus has Qs Qd

 red wirral folded.
Son0fZeus called 300 and raised 600
bigdaddy815 called 750 and raised 2,350 and is All-in
markm456 called 2,950

It's your turn.
Son0fZeus has 10 seconds to respond......




Call for 1780 chips or fold?

fold he has aces, but you cant so you call and suck out

fold

Hate doing it but it's a fold for me.

Are we taking into account the complete donks that play these stt's? . . . . . . seriously i dont think i can pass this , too many times u will find you are miles ahead

I'd fold as you're on the bubble and your almost definetly up against a couple of overcards (an Ace and a King) and theres a small possibility you could be up against aces or kings.

Id call this 3 handed if its a chance to win the tournament. I think Big Daddy is likely to have 7 s through to 10s most likely, maybe AQ but your real danger is the other guy calling, most likely with AK, JJ, KK, AA.

Pretty sick if its 10 s or Jacks, but i dont think you can call due to the bubble situation.

I am never passing QQ 4 handed

call

Haven't run the numbers, but it felt like a close play.

I opted for the fold


Son0fZeus folded.

 Showdown!
Seat 5 : bigdaddy815 has  Ahrt Ks
Seat 6 : markm456 has 4h 4d
Board cards [Ts 6c Th Js 5h]

Hand is over.

It was AK and a pair, didn't imagine the pair would be that low, calling a raise and a re-raise.

markm456 went on to win, I squeezed into 2nd.

Yes, lots of donkeys play, the thing I like to remind folk is that the proportion of donk to ok player is much less when 4 handed. Most nutters are usually long gone, and you give the random opponent at that stage, a lot more respect.

It is fairly rare to see 3 way action like this on the bubble.

For all the folders.....

Q2 Same hand, same positions, but the stack sizes are thus....

Seat 1 : Son0fZeus has $3,250
Seat 5 : bigdaddy815 has  $2,680
Seat 6 : markm456 has $6,370
Seat 8 : red wirral has $5,700

(swapped round Seat 1 and 5's stacks)

Call or fold?


Q3 - Same positions, same stack sizes (as the original post, where you have the $2,680), but your hand is  Ks Kd

Call or fold?

I'd have folded the first time but I call here.

Call the second.

Q2, Q3, or both?

 ;iagree;

I agree...folding QQ in the first situation is poor play IMO. The fact that you
're on the bubble in a STT shouldn't really matter. More often then not you'll be ahead as the guy who calls the all-in doesn't call for all his chips.

KK is a call as well.

If the short stack calls the big stack it is likely to be a bigger indication of strength the in the original configuration imo. No one really likes calling for all their chips.

I call in Q3.

Right, i icm'd this.

You fold, big stack wins, your icm = 0.26 + plus you're in the money (50% chance)
You fold, big stack loses, your icm = 0.17 (50% chance)
You call, you win, big stack loses to other bloke, your icm = 0.36
You call, you win, big stack beat other bloke, you icm 0.37 + plus you're in the money

Hence, if you fold;
0.5*0.26 + 0.5*0.17 = 0.22

You hand is 47% to win against the other two.
You call, 0.47*0.37= 0.17

So should fold. Unless i have made a mistake.  ;hide;


Edit, against two underpairs you queens are 65% and against Ax and an underpair you are 57%.

0.65*0.37 = 0.24. So you should call if you believe you are up against two underpairs.
0.57*0.37 = 0.21 So you should fold if you believe you are up against Ax and an underpair.

You are 68% against 2 Ax's so you should clearly call if you believe you are up aginst 2 Ax's.

Personally, i fold.