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OK, following on from the whooping and hollering thread, here's the next one

what is your view on speechplay and what should and shouldn't be allowed? are you one who likes speechplay? do you rate yourself at it, and why? how do you respond when you are on the receiving end?

at what point does speechplay become a moody?

Something puzzles me too...at my local haunts I can say anything except declare my ACTUAL hand

So if someone asks me, "have you got Aces", and I have, its ok to lie and say no but not to double bluff and say "yes"

If I do, my hand can be declared dead

any other game you can think of where lying is acceptable but telling the truth is a no-no?

 

Marriage ?

You CAN declare your actual hand without it being declared dead in some Venues though.

In Bolton on Saturday, someone said to Chubbs Nowab - "have you got Aces?". "Yes" he replied. And he did......! AND the guy called, & was busted. I don't see that either party did anything wrong "legally". If Chubbs had said "No", that's a different matter, but he's a proper man & told the truth. Personally, I'd have avoided the question, or said "pay to find out".

This is the big problem with rules about speechplay.  You should either be able to say anything or nothing.  A rule that says that you can talk about your hand without revealing it is absurd.

I have no problem at all with speech-play, but I certainly don't approve of it when it descends to personal insults. I don't play poker so some idiot can sit & insult me for my personal & physical shortcomings.

In the last 12 months, we have seen 3 or 4 speech-play protaganists emerge on the domestic tournament circuit, & they are all very good players. They do their speech-play thing, bla bla bla, & I sit there thinking "ffs boys, get on with it will ya, the clock is running, yawn....". 

Does the speech-play work? I'm not sure. I don't think it does, well not on me, anyway, but maybe I am wrong, & it makes all the difference, & it's what makes them good at the game. I'd bet long odds against it though.....! I think it's an attention-seeking thing, if I'm honest.

Each to their own. eh?

Most of the really good players I respect don't bother with it much. I'm talking Colclough, JP Kelly, Thewy, Gale (WHAT a great player he is!), Conor Tate, Citrone, Bambos, Ashby, Nash, Green, Hussain, Gardner, Wernick, Praz, Rokach etc. Gosney might issue a few droll remarks, but they are worth their weight in gold just to listen to, he's seriously "dry".....! Roland does a bit, but always with a disarming smile, how can one not enjoy that?

What I do find amusing are those who insist on asking "what did you have?". Frustrated by the lack of a reply, they ask again...and again...and again...meanwhile, the entire table is pissing itself with laughter!

Any person that comes to a sweaty press room after a EPT win and straight away buys 2 bottles of champagne and pours it into all the glasses for everyone, wins me over very quickly. :D

I dont have anything against speech play per se, but I do think sometimes that the perpetrators make themselves look like idiots!

It really does depend on the person, sometimes when done in a light hearted mannor I find it amusing and at times when people really go over the top, then it is obvious to see that what these people lack in skill they try and makeup in trying to tilt their opponent.

Do you mean "make themselves look like boaks"?

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Have you just fallen down a well?

Quantify was at the top of the well and shouted down to the bottom "Hello, is there water down there?"

Nowab replied, a Lancastrian voice echoing from the bottom of the pit, "yes, it's safe to jump"

Quantify jumped, only to find a dry well.

i talked you of a hand a luton ;)  and this time i would have drawn out on nowab and landed on the swine at the bottom

My Grandma can talk me off a hand!

not joining debate mmfmmfmmffmfmf

to be fair tighty talks himself of his hands.

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Nothing wrong in speech play - as long as it is not insulting.

There is no difference (imo) to speech play, and trying to give off false tells.

Both of which I happen to think work on SOME people, but not all.

Im all for it.

i love speach play,,,until i have to do the hand signs for the hard of hearing(i pod men)i think its fab good laugh,good banter,good fun...........and i am the best at it,,,..,.when i talk i got it,.,.,.,.,.,and when im quiet.,.,.,.,.i still got it.,.,.,lol

hey sofa king do you play much in cardiff grosvenor?

I got complaints about my sing play at Bolton, even said I was out of tune WTA :dontask:

This one is so badly thought out.  If your answer HAS to be a lie, you may as well have a silence rule instead?  What is the point (when your opponent knows you HAVE to be lying or maybe lose the pot) in saying I have AK or I have a small pair?  It is just information given away for free.  Either you can talk about your hand or you can't.  Having a rule that you can talk as long as it is a lie doesn't help one way or the other.

Personally I think speech play should go, but a line drawn on the Hollywood brigade that go into it every bleedin hand.



 




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If you have ever sat at a table with Roberto Ramanello you would be a fan of speech play. The guy is superb. Hours of entertainment.

I should add, always in good spirit and never out of order

I love speech play - as long as it is good banter. It makes for a much more fun and interesting game.

I think it's a great addition to the psychological part of the game if you allowed to talk someone off a hand or talk their chips into the pot.

I also like my opponents to speech play as it gives me more information about their hand.

Try a table with Simon Nowab and Paul Parker - classic stuff!!!

one particular instance comes to mind

mr young an cocky goes all in before me....

I wasnt intending playing my pair of 4's at all especially as he was utg and i was on his left..but it was  shorthanded...


so i am just delaying a lil ready to muck,when he says "muck em i have a high pair"....

now i dont know whether he got me angry or i had a feeling i was ahead,but i called he had JK os and i knocked him out


as he stands up he berates my call " terrible play,i told u i had u beat and u called!!"


I didnt say anything as it prob was a dodgy call

but the thing is if he has said nothing and came over all mysterious i would for sure have folded

goes to show speechplay can backfire quite easily

:) FYP

What does FYP mean?

fixed your post

cheers

In bolton we had a table that was Paul, Simon, Nick Slade and myself, muchos banter.

whenever me and the mouth make the final table together.,.,.,we bounce of each other.,.,and serious.,.,,people coment afterwards how this was the best final they have ever played blah.,blah.,.blah.,.,.,the dealers even comment on how they loved to deal to me and him.,.,but in 7 finals with him i am still the victor.,.,.,coz i got a big tell on him and it does his head in.,.,.,.,ask him.,.the only way he ever wins a pot with me is if he outdraws me.,.,.,.,.,,but just to add.,.,if he didnt talk.,.,i wouldnt have a tell on him so.,.,.mind you we allways have great fun.,.,.his brother is a beter player than him antonio.,.,nice quiet lad(i think hes gay).,.,.,speech play a yes for me.,.,...,..,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,............

yip

Regarding speech play, there should be no boundaries on what you are entitled to say, this does not include insults as they have nothing what so ever to do with the art of speech play.

When you are governed by what you can or cannot say i.e your specific two cards, there becomes a grey area in whether you have crossed the line regarding certain rules.
If you allow anything to be said, including saying you have AA if indeed you have then it is upto your opponent if he thinks you are telling the truth or not. In allowing anthing goes its far more simpler

One assumes it was a very short song.

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but a line drawn on the Hollywood brigade that go into it every bleedin hand.

!!

But he's Welsh, surely?

That's not speech play - that''s sheer comedic genuis! I'd pay to sit at a table with either of those two, though it must be said, Chubbs is a nightmare opponent, impossible to place on a hand, & probably world-class as a player when he takes it seriously.

Oh my god I find myself agreeing with Tikay.................excuse me while I go away and boil my head

My only issue with Speech play is where people do who are not involved in the hand!!

I had an Omaha game recently where I had a very Sneeky nut straight on a seemingly inocuous board, where I guessed my opponent must have trips of some sort. I raised and just as my opponent was going to reraise the mouthy guy not involved pre-emted my reraiser, with full details of the possible sneeky straight.

He called I won but not as much as I should of  >:( (so not a 50p post I believe)

    EPT rules:

                 Verbal declarations regarding your own hand are not binding and commenting on the possible contents of an opponent's hand is allowed for the purposes of the televised tournament. However this only applies to players involved in the hand and not to players who have already passed their hand.

If poker is to attract more TV/Sponsorship/added value.......then the more "entertaining" it can be (within reason!),the better.