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Title: Easy call or fold ? Post by: sweet potata! on January 22, 2007, 12:07:50 PM Total number of players : 10
Seat 3: pauric_f ( $153.70 ) Seat 5: BeTanWiN ( $174.82 ) Seat 7: gUaNnN ( $240.50 ) Seat 10: xxJaydaKxx ( $212.65 ) Seat 2: HERO ( $158.10 ) Seat 9: Maximusss111 ( $91.60 ) Seat 4: JoeGoatly ( $265.40 ) Seat 8: spike9511 ( $90.90 ) Seat 1: JBear416 ( $200 ) Seat 6: mosul1996 ( $82.75 ) spike9511 posts small blind [$1]. Maximusss111 posts big blind [$2]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to HERO [ Ks Ac ] xxJaydaKxx calls [$2] JBear416 folds HERO raises [$6] pauric_f folds JoeGoatly folds BeTanWiN calls [$6] mosul1996 folds >You have options at Jackpot #1304234 Table!. gUaNnN folds spike9511 folds Maximusss111 calls [$4] xxJaydaKxx calls [$4] ** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 7d, Aspades ] Maximusss111 checks xxJaydaKxx checks HERO bets [$18] BeTanWiN folds Maximusss111 folds xxJaydaKxx calls [$18] ** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ] xxJaydaKxx checks HERO checks ** Dealing River ** [ 9h ] xxJaydaKxx bets [$88] I just wanted to keep the pot small , hence i checked behind on the turn ..... did this apparent weakness induce a bluff on the river ? again im afraid to say no reads when im multi tabling its tough too see whats going on Title: Re: Easy call or fold ? Post by: doubleup on January 22, 2007, 01:02:43 PM Reads are very important in this situation - do you have pokertracker? It's a must if you are multitabling.
I would bet the turn here against a loose player as he could have KJ/AT/JT or some other crap - if you are c/rd it's an easy fold. There isn't any obvious draw on the flop except gutshots 98/T9/KQ - he could have JJ/77. You are beating AQ - but surely he doesn't bet so big on the river with it. It is difficult to find a hand that would limp in ep, call the flop and not improve on the river (or already have you beaten). He has to be incredibly loose to make a call correct - i.e any ace/any draw on the flop. Title: Re: Easy call or fold ? Post by: sweet potata! on January 22, 2007, 02:04:25 PM - do you have pokertracker? No m8 i posted a couple days back enquiring about it, i must say im inept as regards to computers so i been havin trouble trying to set it up , is there a dumbed down easy step guide to be found anywhere ? see cant eve quote u properly :( Title: Re: Easy call or fold ? Post by: boldie on January 22, 2007, 02:10:43 PM Total number of players : 10 Seat 3: pauric_f ( $153.70 ) Seat 5: BeTanWiN ( $174.82 ) Seat 7: gUaNnN ( $240.50 ) Seat 10: xxJaydaKxx ( $212.65 ) Seat 2: HERO ( $158.10 ) Seat 9: Maximusss111 ( $91.60 ) Seat 4: JoeGoatly ( $265.40 ) Seat 8: spike9511 ( $90.90 ) Seat 1: JBear416 ( $200 ) Seat 6: mosul1996 ( $82.75 ) spike9511 posts small blind [$1]. Maximusss111 posts big blind [$2]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to HERO [ Ks Ac ] xxJaydaKxx calls [$2] JBear416 folds HERO raises [$6] pauric_f folds JoeGoatly folds BeTanWiN calls [$6] mosul1996 folds >You have options at Jackpot #1304234 Table!. gUaNnN folds spike9511 folds Maximusss111 calls [$4] xxJaydaKxx calls [$4] ** Dealing Flop ** [ Jc, 7d, Aspades ] Maximusss111 checks xxJaydaKxx checks HERO bets [$18] BeTanWiN folds Maximusss111 folds xxJaydaKxx calls [$18] ** Dealing Turn ** [ 6s ] xxJaydaKxx checks HERO checks ** Dealing River ** [ 9h ] xxJaydaKxx bets [$88] I just wanted to keep the pot small , hence i checked behind on the turn ..... did this apparent weakness induce a bluff on the river ? again im afraid to say no reads when im multi tabling its tough too see whats going on I'd like some info on the oppo as he bets 2x the pot on the river, I don't get that bet at all. If I had to I'd give him credit for 2 pair but he could have any weaker Ace aswell and reckons a big bet will put you off after you didn't bet the turn. I fold here BTW..no point in calling. Title: Re: Easy call or fold ? Post by: doubleup on January 22, 2007, 02:50:35 PM - do you have pokertracker? No m8 i posted a couple days back enquiring about it, i must say im inept as regards to computers so i been havin trouble trying to set it up , is there a dumbed down easy step guide to be found anywhere ? see cant eve quote u properly :( PM sent Title: Re: Easy call or fold ? Post by: Smart Money on January 22, 2007, 02:54:55 PM With no info on the player, I'd fold. More often than not a big overbet on the river (usually into a fairly small pot) is a big hand.
I'd be surprised if you're ahead, and my bet would be a set of 7s (maybe AJ.) Poker Tracker is imperative if you're multi-tabling. It is very easy to use together with Game Time+ (A table overlay that you have to download separately.) There is a Poker Tracker forum that can help you set it up. Title: Re: Easy call or fold ? Post by: Highstack on January 23, 2007, 12:24:31 PM You are beating AQ AT and fresh air - that's it! Has to be a pass for me and if he didn't flop a set then I would be amazed.
Title: Re: Easy call or fold ? Post by: sweet potata! on January 23, 2007, 04:35:15 PM Results time...............
Doubleup mentioned the hand he had earlier as a possibilty , as it played out i opted for the fold button , thinking that it was a typical donk bet that looked weak but infact it was a big hand Well i was wrong the villain took it upon himself to show the "goods" and he had infact 8s 9c Thankfully nobody advocated a call in this spot , i was worried that i had missed the opportunity to pick off a big bluff (i know i did but how could i call?) Title: Re: Easy call or fold ? Post by: boldie on January 23, 2007, 04:40:06 PM Results time............... Doubleup mentioned the hand he had earlier as a possibilty , as it played out i opted for the fold button , thinking that it was a typical donk bet that looked weak but infact it was a big hand Well i was wrong the villain took it upon himself to show the "goods" and he had infact 8s 9c Thankfully nobody advocated a call in this spot , i was worried that i had missed the opportunity to pick off a big bluff (i know i did but how could i call?) good for him that he showed it....why do people insist on showing their bluffs? I would only ever do it in a live game when someone else is close to tilting has a few 100 more in his pocket that I just KNOW he'll donk off if I show him. any other time..you should not show bluffs, the moment you show one you're not clever anymore IMO Title: Re: Easy call or fold ? Post by: Highstack on January 23, 2007, 05:02:16 PM Results time............... Doubleup mentioned the hand he had earlier as a possibilty , as it played out i opted for the fold button , thinking that it was a typical donk bet that looked weak but infact it was a big hand Well i was wrong the villain took it upon himself to show the "goods" and he had infact 8s 9c Thankfully nobody advocated a call in this spot , i was worried that i had missed the opportunity to pick off a big bluff (i know i did but how could i call?) good for him that he showed it....why do people insist on showing their bluffs? I would only ever do it in a live game when someone else is close to tilting has a few 100 more in his pocket that I just KNOW he'll donk off if I show him. any other time..you should not show bluffs, the moment you show one you're not clever anymore IMO I totally agree with you ... except for the last bit, if I was a regular at the game. He might be on tilt this time, but he will remember and you might not get it through next time with either the villain or anyone else that sits with you both times. It is all one long game. Title: Re: Easy call or fold ? Post by: lazypoker on January 23, 2007, 06:38:55 PM I think he misread the board and thought he had a straight to the ten. He was showing you that he had the goods!
I don't like the check on the turn. It doesn't cost much to bet. From his point of view you might not have AK, you could be on KQ, KK, QQ, TT, or worse. He figures if you check then that is what you have. He takes the free card anyway and bets when he misses "knowing" you didn't have much. |